12 round magazine

[Starboss9]

I own a Sig P229 with three 12 round magazines that are illegal to possess if non law enforcement. I want to sell the gun with the mags but not sure how I can do that to someone non LE. Can anyone advise? Someone suggested just take the mags apart when transferring the gun to the new owner. Is that legal?

[VL221]

Get a magazine block and block it to 10 rounds.

[Merc1138]

Umm.

Those magazines are indeed still legal to possess without being law enforcement. Transferring to another person is the problem, just block 'em.

[aklon]

This fellow's first post here and he's trying to dispose of something he admits is illegal?

Hmmmmm .....

[Killer Bee]

not illegal for non-leo to own..

you could sell the mags where legal to do so and buy a 10 rounder to sell your gun with..

then you have no magazine legality dilemma clouding the gun sale..

maybe make a buck out of it and let the gun buyer buy all the mags he wants..

I personally have no interest in modified mags..

don't like foreign holes, rivets or screws, blocks, cut springs, etc..

especially in gun I may carry for self defense..

good luck!

[Merc1138]

not illegal for non-leo to own..

you could sell the mags where legal to do so and buy a 10 rounder to sell your gun with..

You have to be careful with that. The PC states that you can be charged simply exposing the magazine for sale. There is nothing in the PC that makes an exception for something like posting an ad on gunbroker for sale to someone outside CA, while you're still in CA with your legally owned magazines.

[onelonehorseman]

You have to be careful with that. The PC states that you can be charged simply exposing the magazine for sale. There is nothing in the PC that makes an exception for something like posting an ad on gunbroker for sale to someone outside CA, while you're still in CA with your legally owned magazines.

Just curious . . . is there anything in the PC that prohibits exporting hi-caps out of CA to a state where they are legal?

[Quiet]

Just curious . . . is there anything in the PC that prohibits exporting hi-caps out of CA to a state where they are legal?

No.

[boopiejones]

i need to pay a visit to my FFL early next week and i can ask his thoughts on the issue.

i am in contra costa county. if you don't already have a buyer lined up, i may be interested in purchasing your p229.

[Rastoff]

i need to pay a visit to my FFL early next week and i can ask his thoughts on the issue.

While there are some good FFLs out there, be sure to look up anything he tells you about the law. Most of the FUD I see comes from FFLs.

The gun and magazines can be sold out of state. When the gun sells, it just has to be shipped to an FFL in the receiving state.

[afteractionreport]

It is not illegal to be in possession of hicap mags, as long as you a quiered them legally. it is illegal to lend, gift or sell to someone who is not a LEO Or someone who is legally allowed to purchase hicap.mags....

So find a cop who will buy your gun. Or have someone block the mags or buy a 10round mag to sell the gun. And sell the mags separately....

Out of state sale would be fine too but do you want t o sell out of state or FTF

[Merc1138]

It is not illegal to be in possession of hicap mags, as long as you a quiered them legally. it is illegal to lend, gift or sell to someone who is not a LEO Or someone who is legally allowed to purchase hicap.mags....

NO. There is no exception in the PC for selling a large capacity magazine to LEO, there is actually a specific permit to sell them.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/forms/CLIcmpapp.pdf

If you read the PC, simply offering the mag for sale(and it doesn't matter to who), puts you in violation.

Penal Code 32310 (Was 12020 (a)(2)) states:
Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section
32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2000, any
person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured,
imports into the state,
keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or
who gives, or lends, buys, or receives any large-capacity magazine is
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or
in the state prison.

There are two exceptions for a normal person in CA selling a magazine, and neither of them involve LEO(I'd even say the armored car service one is iffy due to the way the PC is written, for selling to them).

A few of the notable exceptions:
Sworn police officers can import, buy (PC 120210(b)(20) and manufacture large-capacity magazines.
One can temporarily loan a large-capacity magazine to another person who is eligible to possess firearms and within the immediate vicinity of the owner of the large-capacity magazine - most commonly at a range.
All California FFLs can purchase large-capacity magazines from anyone in the state of California.
California FFLs can obtain a permit to purchase, import, or sell to certain allowed individuals.
Armored Car Services can import, buy, or sell large-capacity magazines to or from anyone eligible to possess firearms.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Large-capacity_magazine_restrictions

[barrage]

Throw the magazines in a paper bag and leave them behind a dumpster. Sell the gun for $50 more and tell the buyer a story about how you found a bunch of magazines in a paper bag behind a dumpster once.

[joao01]

Just curious . . . is there anything in the PC that prohibits exporting hi-caps out of CA to a state where they are legal?

obviously I'm a new guy here, but IMO we as gun owners need to refer to them as standard capacity mags. 10 rounds is reduced capacity. 15 or whatever it was designed for is the standard capacity.

rant off.

[Merc1138]

obviously I'm a new guy here, but IMO we as gun owners need to refer to them as standard capacity mags. 10 rounds is reduced capacity. 15 or whatever it was designed for is the standard capacity.

rant off.

When discussing the legalities of things, it's generally best to refer to them as defined by the state, which in this instance is "large capacity", with people stating "hi-caps" for short. It's just the same as you would do when discussing NFA items, DD's, RAWs and AWs, and so on.

In any other sort of discussion about them, properly referring to them as standard capacity makes sense.