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If someone bought a 80% lower, and had it finished out of state on a cnc would that be okay?
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No.No.No. Unless it was finished by ffl and serial numbered and logged in and then transfered back to ffl in your home state for you to pick up after going thru same paperwork as if you were buying firearm off the shelf. if you are legally able. The purpose of the 80% ers under federal law is for you to mfg yourself with your own hands. -
Either do it YOUR SELF or, if you don't have the tools and skill, go buy a complete lower from an ffl dealer. It's not that hard to do yourself if you have the proper tools. Hell, people on here have done it with nothing more than a dremmel and some creative thinking."Suck on my machine gun" (Ted Nugent)
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Take some machining classesComment
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Im gonna be doing one with a drill press and a dremel. they have jigs that use a router and drill to finish do a little research. worst case watch youtube.Building Ar15 SPR type rifle
Ares Armour anodized 80% lower
mil spec trigger assembly and pistol grip
upper TBD
stock TBD
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No. Doing so would violate Federal laws [18 USC 922(a)(3)] and CA laws [PC 27585(a)].
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Would be legal under Federal and CA laws, if it was properly marked (make/model/serial number/caliber/city/state) and then shipped to a CA FFL dealer, who then transfers (4473/DROS/10 day wait) it to you.Last edited by Quiet; 02-27-2015, 8:18 AM.sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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this is a good question it seems a person has to obey the laws of the state they are in
it may be a good idea to drill the hammer and trigger holes in california
that way you are just doing "minor fitting" in another stateComment
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80%'s are subject to federal law, so going to another state doesnt change anything in regards to completing one. However if he completes it out of state and its now a legal firearm, must he follow CA laws regarding importation of firearms?Comment
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Earlier post was the short version.
Here is the long version.
Under Federal laws...
Federal laws prohibits a resident from acquiring a firearm in another State, unless:
1. The acquisition is a loan for sporting purpose while in that State.
2. The acquisition is due to a bequest.
3. The acquisition is of a rifle or shotgun from a FFL dealer in that State and the acquisition complies with the State laws of the non-resident and the FFL dealer.
Therefore...
*A CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and then bringing that firearm back to CA is a Federal felony.
*A CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and storing it outside of CA is a Federal felony.
*A CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and then shipping that firearm to a CA FFL dealer, who then transfers it to that CA resident would not violate Federal laws.
Under CA laws...
CA laws requires firearms acquired by a CA resident in another State to be done through a CA FFL dealer.
Therefore...
*A CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and then bringing that firearm back to CA is a State misdemeanor/felony depending upon the type of firearm brought back to CA.
*A CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and then shipping that firearm to a CA FFL dealer, who then transfers it to that CA resident would not violate CA State laws.
Summary:
*CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and bringing it back to CA violates Federal laws [18 USC 922(a)(3)] and CA laws [PC 27585(a)].
*CA resident traveling to another State, making a firearm, and shipping it to a CA FFL dealer, who then transfers (4473/DROS/10 day wait) it to that CA resident does not violate Federal laws or CA laws.
*In order for the firearm to be able to be transferred it must be properly marked (make/model/serial number/caliber/city/state).Last edited by Quiet; 03-01-2015, 3:56 PM.sigpic
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).Comment
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I did it with a hand drill and router. Easy stuff if you have a quality lower and jig.Riverside CCW Process
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