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Fooling everyone by calling it a "vaccine" was your first clue. smh"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"Comment
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Let's be careful not to 'rewrite' history. The so-called 'vaccines' actually began under Trump. From September 2020... Trump Administration Releases COVID-19 Vaccine Distribution Strategy
What happened was that Biden and/or his minions then claimed credit and decried Trump's efforts.
From January 2021... Covid-19: Was US vaccine rollout a 'dismal failure' under Trump?
The key differences were that Biden changed the rollout, making all doses immediately available, giving money to the states to deliver them, and mandating that individuals take them or else. It was controversial at the time due to the time element involved in the 'needed' 2nd dose....As of 20 January, the day Mr Biden became president, about 16.5 million vaccines had been administered in the US, according to official statistics.
When you look at the countries doing the most vaccinations by population, the US is fourth after Israel, the UAE and the UK in terms of doses per 100 people.
However, the US fell far short of the target set by the Trump administration to vaccinate 20 million people by the end of 2020.
By 31 December, fewer than three million had received one.
Moncef Slaoui, who had been leading the government's vaccine rollout plan, said at the time: "We know that it should be better, and we're working hard to make it better."
Vaccinations have sped up considerably since the start of the year, more than doubling in Mr Trump's last week in office compared to the first week of January.
The US did achieve more than one million doses a day on a few occasions during the Trump administration.
The daily average for the week before Mr Trump left office was less than 900,000, according to Our World in Data, although there could be a slight lag in recording daily vaccination figures.
That figure has since risen above one million doses, and President Biden has said he's hopeful of achieving 1.5 million doses a day, but "we have to meet that goal of a million a day"...
Then, the 'credit game' swung into full gear. From October 2021... Biden says he ‘started the vaccination program’ despite Trump rollout
Again, the crucial difference is found in this line from the immediately preceding article... Biden on Wednesday likened his vaccine mandates, which also require all federal workers to get shots, to long-standing school vaccine requirements for infectious diseases.President Biden on Thursday claimed credit for the US COVID-19 vaccination program — despite the fact that coronavirus vaccines were developed and initially deployed by the Trump administration.
In a remark sure to raise eyebrows, Biden said that “when I first started the vaccination program and we got all that vaccine, enough for everyone, we were vaccinating 3 million people a day, we were getting very close before things began to slow down.”
Biden has taken heat — including from fact-checkers — for inflating his own role in the vaccine rollout while downplaying the work of former President Donald Trump...
In the same February remarks, Biden said, “My predecessor … failed to order enough vaccines, failed to mobilize the effort to administer the shots, failed to set up vaccine centers.”
But FactCheck.org labeled those Biden claims “misleading” — pointing out that Trump “had contracts in place for plenty of vaccines for all Americans” and that “there was indeed a plan to acquire and distribute vaccines.”
The fact-check group also noted that “Biden exaggerated when he claimed that vaccinations have ‘nearly doubled’ on his watch.”
The US vaccine deployment campaign began in December 2020 when Trump was president and Biden’s initial goal of vaccinating 1 million people per day had already been achieved when he took office on Jan. 20, 2021...
So, calling it the 'Biden vaccine' is misleading, at best. The so-called 'vaccine' was developed (Operation Warp Speed) and deployed by Trump.
However, it was Biden who implemented the federal mandates and coercion of employers to mandate them was begun during his Administration. Thus, it would be 'fair' to refer to them as the 'Biden mandated vaccines.'Comment
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Yes yes we know the vaccine started under Trump. I used to call it Trump vaccine. But then the Biden administration started to force everyone to get the vaccine. He owned it at that point. I started to call it “Biden vaccine” starting then.Comment
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As I said, one just needs to be careful not to 'rewrite' history by invoking personal points of view in how things are 'named.'
What would be a legitimate argument is whether Biden acted unconstitutionally and unnecessarily... Get Vaccinated or Lose Your Job: President Biden’s Unconstitutional Mandate... which brought issues of the role of Congress and the various state governments into the mix.
US Supreme Court blocks Biden's workplace vaccine mandate
But, that brings to mind a second question. Forgetting about Biden, for the moment, did the various entities who exerted 'authority' in mandating the so-called 'vaccines' act legally and/or fairly? Just remember, it has to be viewed, not just in retrospect, but based on the knowledge (or lack thereof) at the time. It was a full-on debate, even on this site, at the time and what someone called it or referred to it as wasn't relevant, then or now.The justices at the nation's highest court said the mandate exceeded the Biden administration's authority.
Separately they ruled that a more limited vaccine mandate could stand for staff at government-funded healthcare facilities.
The administration said the mandates would help fight the pandemic.
President Biden, whose approval rating has been sagging, expressed disappointment with the decision "to block common-sense life-saving requirements for employees".
He added: "I call on business leaders to immediately join those who have already stepped up - including one third of Fortune 100 companies - and institute vaccination requirements to protect their workers, customers, and communities."...
In the end, Joe Biden's vaccine mandates stood or fell based on judicial interpretations of federal statute, not principles of individual liberty or appeals to the greater good.
According to a majority of the Supreme Court, Mr Biden had the law on his side when ordering healthcare workers to get vaccinated, but using a 51-year-old workplace safety statute to implement a vaccine-or-test requirement on all large employers was a bridge too far...
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Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)
Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
(thanks to Jeff Cooper)Comment
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He owned the mandates and how the so-called vaccines were ultimately delivered.
He didn't develop (or cause to be developed) the so-called 'vaccines' or begin their distribution as he wasn't even in Office when they were developed and the distribution began.
You saying he 'owned' it is more representative of a personal peeve than actual history.
It also smacks of an attempt to absolve the Republican side (including Trump) of the role it played in the whole mess. (Remember, Republicans were 'mixed' as to whether they supported the so-called 'vaccines' and the mandates. They only became the 'opposition' when it became clearer that they weren't true vaccines and the public began to 'distrust' what they were being told.) As I said at the time, there was plenty of blame to go around. Even today, there are significant elements who declare the so-called 'vaccines' safe and effective, the side effects 'rare,' etc. Remember, it was a time of 'uncertainty' and while not entirely blameless, some of the actions were 'understandable' in the moment given the duties of the officials. That's 'some of the actions,' not the entirety of the debacle and the outright ignoring of protocols, not to mention the abandonment of common sense.
As I've always maintained, it should be a personal choice as to whether to get one; such being particularly true as I predicted it would become viewed as a prophylactic treatment rather than a true vaccine, much like the flu shots.Comment
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Naw, bulls-hit, in bold, is relativism you are trying to disguise as logic.
There is right and wrong, and I see no circumstance where any government of a free republic should have behaved in the manner we witnessed during the covid hysteria.
Whether they or we knew the full story at the time is not relevant, what went down was full on tyranny by law, period.
I agree with sigfan, bidet, and all the other democrat tyrants own the covid poison, and have earned my hatred. May they rot in hell.
"duck the femocrats" Originally posted by M76
If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. Col. Jeff Cooper
Originally posted by SAN compnerd
It's the flu for crying out loud, just stop.Comment
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He owns it because he distrusted the vaccine and questioned everything about it when Trump's administration was working on it. He tune turned 180 around right after he became president. He owns it.
You sound like those democrats who always say "but both sides are bad" when there is a clear, much worse offender.
Trump listened to his "scientist" on the vaccine. He did what any of us would do without enough information. I believed the so-called vaccine during 2021 and was considering getting it. My views changed when presented with more information. Biden doubled down, tripled down on it. Biden owns it.
I would be just as upset and would call it the "Trump vaccine" had Trump remained president in 2021 and pushed it on us. But he wasn't and he didn't.
It's the Biden vaccine and no one else.Last edited by sigfan91; 08-09-2025, 8:41 PM.Comment
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Nope.
Viewing it with the knowledge of the time provides context for the decisions made. It wasn't all 'hysteria.' There were a good deal of unknowns and that included the scientists and health care professionals.
Hindsight is always 20/20 or usually so. But, even now, there are still divided opinions among even the professionals. I have my opinion and operate on that basis. You have a similar opinion, but wish to cast blame and aspersions.
In short, it's not 'relativism' in that no one knew the 'objective' truth in terms of the efficacy of the so-called 'vaccines' and went otherwise. To ascribe such an epithet, you have to label Trump with that as well or, perhaps, more so. Remember, mRNA vaccines had not been approved for use until Trump. Biden simply carried on with what Trump began, then doubled down by mandating it or else.
What we all had were personal opinions in terms of 'right and wrong' and they were all specifically narrowed to whether the so-called 'vaccines' actually worked; primarily as no one knew whether they did or didn't and, to one degree or another, we still don't in that not enough time has passed to even have completed the pre-COVID protocols for release of a vaccine. That's where the 'right and wrong' actually came into play. The traditional steps in the development of vaccines prior to public release were obviated. Worse. The 'booster' protocols weren't even truly tested by 'traditional' metrics and that's where the actual problems seemed to have developed.
Yes. There were issues with the so-called 'vaccines.' However, to one degree or another, based on the limited testing, they fell within 'normal' parameters. Where the real problems emerged were with the boosters; i.e., the number and their temporal requirements.
Look back on the Tetanus vaccines. In the 1970s, a booster was 'required' within 5 years. Today, half a century later, many/most doctors will give you one if you haven't had a booster in 10-20 years and you were just injured. Otherwise, they tell you that it's not needed.
That's the part which was skipped with the COVID shots and it's the part which made it increasingly clear that they weren't actually a true vaccine. As I have repeatedly said, they are a prophylactic treatment and don't meet the actual definitional parameters of a 'vaccine' anymore than the flu shots.
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You seem to miss my point.
My comment about your post being relativism was directed at you, not bidet or Trump.
Your comments lead me to think you believe some of the tyranny may have been justified given the circumstances of the time, known or unknown.
I am saying, no way Jose, no matter what the efficacy of the clot shot, or the hazard of the virus, there is no justification for the gov to require the shot or do any of the other tyranical moves.
Either we believe in freedom, or we don't, no middle ground, even in the face of a historical virus.
The gov is not my religion, they are not all powerful, and every person shall be free to choose for themself.
"duck the femocrats" Originally posted by M76
If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim. Col. Jeff Cooper
Originally posted by SAN compnerd
It's the flu for crying out loud, just stop.Comment
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What Biden 'owns' is the 'tyranny by law' when it comes to mandates and their effects. But, it was the Trump Administration which authorized the shots for use as a so-called 'vaccine.' Prior to that, no other Administration had. The mRNA vaccine technology actually began in the 1960s, but didn't achieve deliverability until about 2005. Yet, even then, it was not considered reliable and it took until 2019 to stabilize the design sufficiently to begin actual 'vaccine-style' testing.
By 2020, COVID was a 'thing' and Trump's Operation Warp Speed obviated many/most of the actual tests/trials/research which traditionally went into vaccine development. Again, it was the Trump Administration which authorized it's use, released it, and began distribution of it to the tune of projecting "300 million doses" for release. If you go to Wikipedia (a simplistic source), you will find...
Yes. Biden made things much worse with his mandates. No. Trump and Republicans were not 'innocents;' but, at the time, they did have a certain sense of 'legitimacy' to their rationale; to the point where even you were considering it, as was I. Biden simply went too far, as did Fauci. That's where the 'tyranny by law' came into play. If you recall, Trump had his own 'mandates'......In October 2020, Alex Azar, at that time the United States Secretary of Health and Human Services, predicted a hundred million available doses by the end of the year.[73] The Trump administration later reduced the goal to twenty million doses. As of January 6, 2021, the CDC was reporting 17,288,950 doses distributed, but only 5,306,797 actually administered to a person.[74] Of those, 3,416,875 were distributed and 511,635 administered through the Federal Pharmacy Partnership. General Gustave Perna said reporting delays cause the administration numbers to lag by 72 to 96 hours.[75] By January 31, 2021, when Operation Warp Speed was being transferred to the Biden Administration, 63.7 million doses had been delivered of a total of 200 million doses that Pfizer and Moderna were contracted to provide by the end of March 2021.[76]...
Biden didn't take Office until 20 January 2021 and it was then that the mandates objections truly got underway with...... July 15, 2020
A mandate from the Trump Administration directs hospitals nationwide to stop sending critical information about COVID-19 hospitalization rates and equipment availability to CDC and instead report this data to a new system set up by HHS using a private contractor, raising concerns over the politicization of public health, data, and privacy...
July 22, 2020
The Department of Defense (DOD) and HHS reach a deal with Pfizer BioNTech for the delivery and distribution of 100 million doses of the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine candidate in December 2020, upon confirmation that the vaccine is safe and effective.
Antibody data examined by CDC shows that there were about 10 times more SARS-CoV-2 infections than first reported in March 2020 – May 2020 (depending on the region, there were 6 to 24 times more cases than were initially reported)...
August 11, 2020
The Trump Administration agrees to pay $1.5 billion, or $15 per-dose, to Moderna for 100 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine...
September 16, 2020
HHS announces a plan to make COVID-19 vaccines free in the U.S. ...
September 23, 2020
HHS and CDC awards states, territories, and local jurisdictions $200 million from the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act in new funding to support vaccine distribution for COVID-19...
December 3, 2020
ACIP recommends that healthcare professionals and older people living in long-term care facilities be offered a vaccine first in the initial phases of the COVID-19 vaccination program. CDC also notes that people ages 70 years and older who live in multi-generational households should be given priority as soon as more vaccine doses are available...
December 11, 2020
FDA issues an EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
ACIP recommends the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine for all people ages 16 years or older for the prevention of COVID-19...
December 22, 2020
CDC releases a report in MMWR outlining the ACIP’s recommendations for the “phases” of COVID-19 vaccination allocation while supply is still limited in the U.S. The suggested model for efficient and equitable vaccination distribution: phase 1a – healthcare personnel and residents of long-term care facilities; phase 1b – essential workers and all persons ages 75 years and older; phase 1c – all persons ages 65–74 and all persons ages 16–64 with a medical condition that increases their risk of severe disease from COVID-19; phase 2 – all persons ages 16 years and older not already recommended in phase 1...
December 24, 2020
More than 1 million COVID-19 vaccine doses have been administered in the U.S. in just 10 days: healthcare workers and older adults living in long-term care facilities are the first to be vaccinated with the goal of vaccinating every person as soon as enough vaccine doses are available...
December 28, 2020
Proof of a negative COVID-19 test taken within 72 hours of departure is mandated for all foreign national travelers entering the U.S. from the U.K. due to the highly transmissible COVID-19 B.1.1.7 / “Alpha” variant circulating in the U.K. ...
December 31, 2020
One year anniversary of the first reported case of COVID-19 to WHO.
2.8 million people in the U.S. have received a COVID-19 vaccine dose— far short of the nation’s goal of 20 million...
After that, it simply became increasingly worse, not so much due to Biden 'mandating' things, but due to 'social' concerns usurping 'science' concerns. In fact, Biden didn't even begin to mandate service members being vaccinated until August 2021. Truth be told, it was a mix of Federal and State entities responsible for the mandates... State and Federal Authority to Mandate COVID-19 Vaccination...January 30, 2021
As part of the Biden Administration’s Executive Order on Promoting COVID-19 Safety in Domestic and International Travel, CDC requires face masks to be worn by all travelers while on public transportation and inside transportation hubs to prevent the spread of COVID-19 effective February 2, 2021...
As a result, it wasn't just "Biden Bad/Evil." He simply provided license for the 'tyranny by law' via many actors. The thing which you can give Trump proper credit for is in his 'hesitancy' (regardless of whatever 'reasons') in mandating anything by law; though, again, he did 'mandate' a number of things directly or indirectly. That includes the initial EUA's for the so-called 'vaccines.'...This report provides an overview of state and federal authority to mandate vaccination. The first part of the report provides background on state and local authority to mandate vaccination under the states' general police power. It discusses the Supreme Court's long-standing recognition of state and local authority to mandate vaccination as an exercise of their police power, and modern courts' analyses of more recent challenges to state vaccination mandates based on the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause. The report then analyzes the Supreme Court's evolving free exercise jurisprudence and the questions it raises regarding whether and when governments must provide for or grant religious exemptions to vaccination requirements. It then looks at how courts have addressed challenges to COVID-19 vaccination requirements imposed by states and state entities.
The second part of the report provides an overview of federal authority to mandate vaccination. It discusses several sources of existing federal statutory authority that could serve, or have been invoked, as the basis for federal COVID-19 vaccination mandates. It then provides an overview of several employment-based civilian mandates the executive branch has issued, including those directed at (1) most Medicare- and Medicaid-certified providers and suppliers; (2) employers with 100 or more employees; (3) federal executive agency civilian employees; (4) federal contractors for executive departments, agencies, and offices; and (5) staff of the Head Start program. The report then analyzes the state of litigation challenging these mandates. This part also reviews the extent of Congress's constitutional authority under the Constitution's Spending and Commerce Clauses to mandate vaccination.
The report concludes with a brief discussion of a legal issue specific to COVID-19 vaccination mandates, particularly before FDA's licensure of Comirnaty. Namely, it reviews how courts have addressed some litigants' argument that the Emergency Use Authorization status of COVID-19 vaccines preclude entities from mandating COVID-19 vaccination...
If you want to, personally, refer to it as the 'Biden vaccine,' that's your privilege. But, it doesn't alter actual history. Biden didn't approve the vaccines. The Trump Administration did. Does that make it the 'Trump vaccine?' It depends on your perspective. Again, the technology was out there prior to COVID; but, it had not proven 'successful' and was not approved for actual use until the Trump Administration provided the EUA. However, Trump is far from being a scientist or medical professional, meaning he relied on the likes of Fauci, who had an agenda. Yet, so did Biden and for the same reasons.
The difference? Biden had 'social agenda' as a motivator and utilized legal authority to address it, more so than addressing actual COVID. Trump had concerns regarding a potential pandemic, but was dubious enough that he didn't go 'too far' with some things, yet still 'jumped the gun' in terms of authorizing an unproven technology.
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