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  • sd_shooter
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2008
    • 13532

    Covid vax doesn't work well against current variants

    No need to get the vax

    Are the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines durability improving? No, they are not, and in fact, even if an individual followed public health instructions, getting three doses of the primary series to bolster protection with a mutating virus and a vaccine truly lacking in durability such as the Pfizer BNT162b2 product consumers are afforded absolutely no protection against hospitalization unless they get annual boosters. This is the clear message taken from the latest research led by researchers at Kaiser Permanente, Department of Research & Evaluation, Pasadena and other locations. The team of physicians and epidemiologists pondered whether administration of the Pfizer BNT162b2 XBB vaccine offers additional protection against COVID-19 hospital admissions and ambulatory visits for US adults compared with not receiving a BNT162b2 XBB vaccine of any kind and whether older versions of the COVID-19 vaccine still provide any protection compared with being unvaccinated. Executing a case-control study targeting 2854 cases and 15, 345 controls, the Pfizer BNT162b2 XBB vaccine provided statistically significant additional protection against a range of COVID-19 outcomes during the early part of the 2023 to 2024 viral respiratory season according to the study outcomes. Older versions of COVID-19 vaccines offered no additional protection compared with being unvaccinated, including against COVID-19 hospital admissions, regardless of the number or type of prior doses received. Sara Y. Tartof, PhD, MPH and colleagues report their study outcomes support the current recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for annual updates. Put another way, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine durability continues to be a challenge, with waning effectiveness, necessitating the recommendation of an annual booster for any protection of hospitalization whatsoever. What is not contemplated are the potential long-term consequences of repeated mRNA boosters, year after year. This impact has not been studied. Tartof and colleagues at Kaiser Permanente, one of the nation’s largest health systems, report that the last COVID-19 vaccine version uptake was low. By December 22, 2023, only 19% and 37% of all adults 18 years and older and 65 years and older, respectively, actually opted to receive the XBB vaccine.


    Why such low vaccination rates? The authors list the usual reasons but do not point to the government, its mishaps in communications and overreach during the pandemic.
  • #2
    five.five-six
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2006
    • 34780

    Just in time for the election!

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    • #3
      sigfan91
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2009
      • 10255

      Taiwan reported a new variant. ER is overflowing. People are urged to wear TWO masks.

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      • #4
        LBDamned
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2011
        • 19040

        I like the wash hands frequently and stay six feet away from me part. Add 'em to the other 10 commandments.

        As to the rest of the 'suggestions' - I'm still not doing it.
        "Kamala is a radical leftist lunatic" ~ Donald J. Trump

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        • #5
          Big Chudungus
          Veteran Member
          • Jun 2021
          • 2897

          well yeah. same reason "they can't find a cure for Common Cold" because there is no "CC"

          same reason "yearly flu shot" is bad idea and doesn't work, and They know it but still sell it, on the pretext that "We've guessed wrong last 40yrs in a row, and chances we are right this time is less than 1 in 1000, but who knows, we COULD be right this time"

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          • #6
            TrappedinCalifornia
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2018
            • 8993

            It's the difference between what a vaccine has been 'traditionally' defined as and the misuse of 'vaccine' to describe a prophylaxis treatment.

            The former provides immunity. The latter addresses the potential symptoms, they hope.

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            • #7
              sigfan91
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jun 2009
              • 10255

              Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
              It's the difference between what a vaccine has been 'traditionally' defined as and the misuse of 'vaccine' to describe a prophylaxis treatment.

              The former provides immunity. The latter addresses the potential symptoms, they hope.

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              • #8
                TrappedinCalifornia
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2018
                • 8993

                Actually, the definition was valid until 2020, when they changed it so they could call their 'treatment' a 'vaccine.'

                We've had entire threads about it, so I won't link to them, this time. ?

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                • #9
                  sigfan91
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 10255

                  Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia

                  Actually, the definition was valid until 2020, when they changed it so they could call their 'treatment' a 'vaccine.'

                  We've had entire threads about it, so I won't link to them, this time. ?

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                  • #10
                    bigbossman
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 11016

                    " Covid vax doesn't work well" Period.

                    Always looking for vintage Winchester and Marlin lever action rifles. Looking to sell? Know of one for sale? Drop me a line!

                    "Give a conservative a pile of bricks and you get a beautiful city. Give a leftist a city and you get a pile of bricks."

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                    • #11
                      TrappedinCalifornia
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 8993

                      They did. But, it's on the Wayback Machine, not Facebook.

                      In 2021, I also created a post with links to the CDC's... uh... 'outdated' definitions...

                      Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.

                      Vaccine:Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.

                      Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.

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                      • #12
                        The Gleam
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 12227

                        Over 4 years now, and still never got COVID. Nothing. And no, I didn't get it and it was asymptomatic. Nobody in my immediate family, including 2 people pushing 90 ever got it, to this day. And all of us work among others with active lives, kids in the mix, in professional fields, law, finance, and science industries.

                        Then again, none of us ever get the flu or colds either. Out of 9, only 2 got the J&J pseudovaccine because they work in the medical field and government.

                        Yet, I never got the pseudovaccine after all. Came close due to pressure from work, but was able to avoid it.

                        The most curious thing is that a couple of people in my family felt that it was important to reach out to the 'scientific community' to impress upon those with resources, something may be special about our family DNA, or having a hereditary natural immunity that should be studied, no matter how rare or an anomaly.

                        The willingness to help and possibly benefit society was dismissed with hostility, admonished as if it was foolish to even contemplate such a thing possible. It was deemed impossible without ever checking.

                        So with that, we may never know if such an outlet for a true vaccine or permanent resistance to multiple variants of SARS-CoV-2 may be available, coursing through my veins.

                        Here's to you Pfizer. Well played.

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                        Originally posted by Librarian
                        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                        • #13
                          Beelzy
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 9224

                          Really? Thats not what all the Pincushions I know are saying...when they're not sick.
                          "I kill things for a living, don't make yourself one of them"

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                          • #14
                            Barang
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Aug 2013
                            • 12137

                            mask works if you put on 20. it will suffocate you and the virus at the same time.

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                            • #15
                              mshill
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2012
                              • 4444

                              Originally posted by The Gleam
                              Over 4 years now, and still never got COVID. Nothing. And no, I didn't get it and it was asymptomatic. Nobody in my immediate family, including 2 people pushing 90 ever got it, to this day. And all of us work among others with active lives, kids in the mix, in professional fields, law, finance, and science industries.

                              Then again, none of us ever get the flu or colds either. Out of 9, only 2 got the J&J pseudovaccine because they work in the medical field and government.

                              Yet, I never got the pseudovaccine after all. Came close due to pressure from work, but was able to avoid it.

                              The most curious thing is that a couple of people in my family felt that it was important to reach out to the 'scientific community' to impress upon those with resources, something may be special about our family DNA, or having a hereditary natural immunity that should be studied, no matter how rare or an anomaly.

                              The willingness to help and possibly benefit society was dismissed with hostility, admonished as if it was foolish to even contemplate such a thing possible. It was deemed impossible without ever checking.

                              So with that, we may never know if such an outlet for a true vaccine or permanent resistance to multiple variants of SARS-CoV-2 may be available, coursing through my veins.

                              Here's to you Pfizer. Well played.

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                              The modern medical establishment has so few scientists anymore. The majority at the top levels are businessmen or politicians. They aren't interested in anomalies unless it comes with a grant.
                              The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

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