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  • TrappedinCalifornia
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2018
    • 8276

    Long COVID Symptoms Among Americans on the Rise

    Long COVID Symptoms Among Americans on the Rise

    ...The CDC says 6.8% of Americans recently reported having long COVID symptoms, and 17.6% say they?ve had long COVID at some point, according to the federal health agency's most recent Household Pulse Survey...

    Health experts said the rising long COVID numbers are worrisome.

    "This should be setting off alarms for many people," David Putrino, PhD, the Nash family director of the Cohen Center for Recovery From Complex Chronic Illness at Mount Sinai, told The Guardian. "We're really starting to see issues emerging faster than I expected."...

    Scientists haven't been able to find out what causes long COVID, in which symptoms of the illness persist months or years after recovery. Extreme fatigue, shortness of breath, loss of the sense of smell, and muscle aches are some of the most common symptoms...
    'Alarming' rise in Americans with long Covid symptoms

    ...A new study found that thousands of people in the UK may not be working because of long Covid. Americans have also missed work at higher rates since the pandemic started...

    The rise in long Covid cases is particularly worrisome because "we still don't know all of the things that long Covid does, how it does it, and why," said Lara Jirmanus, a clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School and a member of the People's CDC.

    Ignoring Covid cases now is "hubris that almost assumes that we can see the future", Jirmanus said. "Nobody knows what long Covid will do five years from now. I don?t think it's wise to throw all caution to the wind."...

    The advice from the agency to leave isolation after symptoms have begun improving flies in the face of scientific evidence and will probably lead to more spread of the virus and more cases of long Covid, experts said.

    "It's very irresponsible advice, and it just doesn't follow the science. And it's a shame because we rely on public officials and we rely on government officials to interpret and present science to us - that's their job. And right now, they're failing in their responsibility to us," said Putrino.

    While vaccines help reduce the risk of developing long Covid, the best way to prevent it is by avoiding Covid, Putrino said - especially since repeat infections raise the likelihood of prolonged illness. "Every time you get a Covid infection, you place yourself at higher risk of going on to develop long Covid."...
    What concerns me is how they walk right up to the line of calling for lockdowns and masks, etc., but stop just short; but, also tread close to attempting to induce panic.

    I won't go into the idea that multiple infections seem to come, mostly, from those who were 'vaccinated,' yet they say the so-called 'vaccines' reduce the risk. Uh...

    What I love is their advice in avoiding Long COVID is to not catch COVID. So... Exactly how do they propose we do that, get a so-called 'vaccine' which doesn't prevent you from catching COVID? Or, is what they are leading up to a policy which says no one will interact with anyone ever again, everyone will work from home, we'll be on 'permanent' lockdown status, etc.?
  • #2
    sigfan91
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2009
    • 8786

    Follow the seance! The seance has settled!

    All these studies are about as scientific as the study on global warming, now called climate change. They base their study on the false premise of long wuhan symptoms. It's the same as basing all weather/climate variations on a single factor of atmospheric carbon dioxide content.

    The reality is there are hundreds of thousands of different factors that go into why people may seem to miss more work. Shifting working environment is a major factor. Many of us work from home now. How does that affect how people perceive their health and life? I don't know. How about the havoc created by shutting down the world for 3 years? Government gave free money out like a dealer trying to get new customers hooked on his product. Many people simply stopped working. They don't admit it, so they blamed wuhan virus to continue to get free stuff. How about the Biden vaccine messing with the human immune system? It would be nice if we had long-term, double blind, unbiased trials on this new product before we pushed it out to the population by the billions. Now we have no idea what the hell half the human race might be suffering from.

    This whole thing is a scam. It could be as simple as the ruling class trying to plunder the serfs. Or it could be much more nefarious.

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    • #3
      ibanezfoo
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Apr 2007
      • 11257

      God forbid they get off the couch and eat a little healthier. Nah lets just blame the flu.
      vindicta inducit ad salutem?

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      • #4
        DGoodale
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Nov 2003
        • 1109

        While not wanting to fall into the causation vs correlation trap, what is the percentage of those who were vax'd vs not with long covid.

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        • #5
          TrappedinCalifornia
          Calguns Addict
          • Jan 2018
          • 8276

          Originally posted by DGoodale
          While not wanting to fall into the causation vs correlation trap, what is the percentage of those who were vax'd vs not with long covid.
          Back in January, Scientific American put out this piece... Vaccination Dramatically Lowers Long COVID Risk

          ...A growing consensus is emerging that receiving multiple doses of the COVID vaccine before an initial infection can dramatically reduce the risk of long-term symptoms. Although the studies disagree on the exact amount of protection, they show a clear trend: the more shots in your arm before your first bout with COVID, the less likely you are to get long COVID. One meta-analysis of 24 studies published in October, for example, found that people who'd had three doses of the COVID vaccine were 68.7 percent less likely to develop long COVID compared with those who were unvaccinated. "This is really impressive," says Alexandre Marra, a medical researcher at the Albert Einstein Israelite Hospital in Brazil and the lead author of the study. "Booster doses make a difference in long COVID."...
          Let's just say that there is considerable... variation... in the results of the studies if you go by more than what is listed in that piece.

          Then, this month, based on another January piece... The effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent long COVID symptoms: staggered cohort study of data from the UK, Spain, and Estonia

          Although vaccines have proved effective to prevent severe COVID-19, their effect on preventing long-term symptoms is not yet fully understood. We aimed to evaluate the overall effect of vaccination to prevent long COVID symptoms and assess comparative effectiveness of the most used vaccines (ChAdOx1 and BNT162b2)...

          Vaccination against COVID-19 consistently reduced the risk of long COVID symptoms, which highlights the importance of vaccination to prevent persistent COVID-19 symptoms, particularly in adults...
          Yet, back in 2022... Long COVID poses risks to vaccinated people, too

          ...The study of more than 13 million veterans also found that vaccination against the virus that causes COVID-19 reduced the risk of death by 34% and the risk of getting long COVID by 15%, compared with unvaccinated patients infected with the virus. However, vaccines were shown to be most effective in preventing some of the most worrisome manifestations of long COVID - lung and blood-clotting disorders - which declined about 49% and 56%, respectively, among those who were vaccinated...
          Then, in January 2023... Long COVID: What Do the Latest Data Show? (bold emphasis mine)

          As of January 25, 2023, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data show that COVID cases, deaths, and hospitalizations have stabilized after a small surge around the holidays. However, there is still a great deal of uncertainty about long COVID and whether there will be increased long COVID cases following the holiday bump. (The working definition of long COVID is ?signs, symptoms, and conditions that continue or develop after initial COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2 infection.) Although the evidence is mixed as to whether vaccines reduce the likelihood of getting long COVID, or if they reduce the severity of long COVID among people who already have it, only 15% of the population up to date on their vaccines. Within this context, we examine the latest data on long COVID from the Household Pulse Survey, as reported by the CDC. Previous research has highlighted the implications of long COVID for employment and health coverage and it?s potential to exacerbate existing disparities in those areas. The latest data and research suggest that those concerns are important but also show that among people who have had COVID, the percentage with long COVID is declining (Figure 1)...
          Let's just say that it's the same, 'muddled' messaging. If you get the shots before contracting COVID, in theory, the shots also provide some protection against Long COVID. Yet, there are no, definitive results which can be pointed to which demonstrate that 'effectiveness' and I'm not seeing any studies which speak to once you contracted COVID, then got the shot(s). So, it comes back to the same thing, pays your money and takes your chances or simply follow Biden's advice...

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          • #6
            gimebakmybulits
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2007
            • 991

            Sheeeeit.....sounds like we need us one of them thar Rockit Docturds to do some gazintas ta figger this hole mess out.....betcha he can do it in 500,000 words or less..
            "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
            George Washington

            "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
            Thomas Jefferson

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            • #7
              stix213
              AKA: Joe Censored
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Apr 2009
              • 18998

              Originally posted by DGoodale
              While not wanting to fall into the causation vs correlation trap, what is the percentage of those who were vax'd vs not with long covid.
              Conveniently this data point is never gathered in any of the long covid investigations. My assumption is they already know what they will find, and it's not good for the government or Pfizer, so purposely don't gather that data point. You can't be accused of hiding data you never capture.

              But that's just my assumption.

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              • #8
                gimebakmybulits
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2007
                • 991

                Originally posted by stix213
                Conveniently this data point is never gathered in any of the long covid investigations. My assumption is they already know what they will find, and it's not good for the government or Pfizer, so purposely don't gather that data point. You can't be accused of hiding data you never capture.

                But that's just my assumption.
                That's why they disappeared the control group.......
                "Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
                George Washington

                "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
                Thomas Jefferson

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                • #9
                  stonefly-2
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 4993

                  Nothing to confront my position that long Covid like getting Covid more than once after ones natural antibodies have developed is just a symptom of being vaccinated.

                  Granted that's an assumption but I'm comfortable with the over/under on it.
                  What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                  Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                  https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                  I was born under a wandrin star.

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                  • #10
                    TrappedinCalifornia
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 8276

                    Originally posted by stonefly-2
                    Nothing to confront my position that long Covid like getting Covid more than once after ones natural antibodies have developed is just a symptom of being vaccinated.

                    Granted that's an assumption but I'm comfortable with the over/under on it.
                    I wouldn't bet too heavy... Getting Vaccinated May Be Your Best Protection from Long COVID

                    People vaccinated before their first case of COVID-19 are diagnosed with Long COVID almost four times less than unvaccinated people, suggests a large new study published Nov. 22 in the BMJ.

                    That's not an entirely new finding. For years, studies have shown that, while vaccinated people can and do develop Long COVID, they are at lower risk than people who haven't had their shots. But researchers have come to drastically different estimates about exactly how much protection vaccines offer against Long COVID, with their findings ranging from about 15% efficacy to around 50%...

                    Long COVID diagnoses were rare across the board during the study's follow-up period, but even less common among people who'd been vaccinated before getting sick. About 1.4% of unvaccinated people received a Long COVID diagnosis during the study period, compared to 0.4% of previously vaccinated people...
                    Of course, once again, the numbers are based on getting the so-called 'vaccine' BEFORE actually catching COVID. I haven't yet come across a study which speaks to the numbers if you catch COVID, then develop Long COVID after catching COVID, then getting the so-called 'vaccine.' Then again, I haven't really looked that hard.

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                    • #11
                      stonefly-2
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2013
                      • 4993

                      Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                      Then again, I haven't really looked that hard.

                      Where would you look that you felt had some credibility after these last few years?
                      What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                      Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                      https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                      I was born under a wandrin star.

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                      • #12
                        TrappedinCalifornia
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2018
                        • 8276

                        Originally posted by stonefly-2
                        Where would you look that you felt had some credibility after these last few years?
                        It's not just about the 'credibility.' It's about whether there are even 'results' which are verifiable. So much is subject to 'muddled messaging,' I'm not even sure such statistics actually exist. As an example, back in February... How does COVID-19 vaccination affect long-COVID symptoms? (bold emphasis mine)...

                        ...As of 15 February 2022, 73.5% of the population in Iran received at least one dose, 65.3% two doses, and 25.7% received their third (booster) dose of a COVID vaccine field. In the current study of adult participants with severe COVID-19 (requiring hospitalization) and subsequent long-COVID syndrome, we observed that receiving the COVID-19 vaccine had a significant association with prolonged symptoms of long-COVID for more than one year after the initial infection (long long-COVID). Contrary to our finding, a recent report (not an analytical study) noted that some people have found that their post-acute phase COVID-related symptoms decreased or disappeared after receiving at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine. An article suggested that COVID-19 vaccination is associated with a lower risk of several, but not all, COVID-19 sequelae in those with breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infection (a concept that is different from our objective).

                        Having said all the above, we should keep in mind that in general, vaccines reduce the risk of long-COVID by lowering the chances of contracting COVID-19, in the first place. In addition, vaccines reduce the risk of severe COVID-19 (including reinfections) and its catastrophic consequences (e.g., death). In one recent study, infection-acquired immunity boosted with vaccination remained high for more than one year after infection (longer than that with two doses of vaccines). Therefore, it is strongly recommended that all people, even those with a history of COVID-19, receive vaccines to protect themselves against this fatal viral infection...
                        Okay, uh... The so-called 'vaccines' were associated with long and long-long COVID, but get the so-called 'vaccine' to keep you from getting COVID in the first place?

                        What you have to love is the 'conclusion' of that piece...

                        In people who have already contracted COVID-19 and now suffer from long-COVID, receiving a COVID-19 vaccination has a significant association with prolonged symptoms of long-COVID for more than one year after the initial infection. Having said that, vaccines generally reduce the risk of long-COVID by lowering the chances of contracting COVID-19, in the first place. Furthermore, vaccines reduce the risk of severe COVID-19 (including reinfections) and its catastrophic consequences (e.g., death). Therefore, it is strongly recommended that all people, even those with a past history of COVID-19, receive vaccines to protect themselves against this fatal viral infection. Future studies should specifically investigate the underlying pathophysiology of long-COVID and its relation to various types of COVID vaccines.
                        Wouldn't it have been more straightforward to say that there is 'suggestive' evidence that, if you have already been infected, the so-called 'vaccines' may be associated with long and long-long COVID; but, more study is required?

                        It wouldn't have been anymore reassuring; but, at least it would have been better than suggesting you stay sick longer to avoid dying.

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                        • #13
                          stonefly-2
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 4993

                          Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                          It's not just about the 'credibility.' It's about whether there are even 'results' which are verifiable. So much is subject to 'muddled messaging,' I'm not even sure such statistics actually exist. As an example, back in February... How does COVID-19 vaccination affect long-COVID symptoms? (bold emphasis mine)...



                          Okay, uh... The so-called 'vaccines' were associated with long and long-long COVID, but get the so-called 'vaccine' to keep you from getting COVID in the first place?

                          What you have to love is the 'conclusion' of that piece...



                          Wouldn't it have been more straightforward to say that there is 'suggestive' evidence that, if you have already been infected, the so-called 'vaccines' may be associated with long and long-long COVID; but, more study is required?

                          It wouldn't have been anymore reassuring; but, at least it would have been better than suggesting you stay sick longer to avoid dying.


                          Yes "muddled", baffling even.

                          With the consistent reports of excess deaths and other statistical tables from the insurance industry



                          reason dictates that "if true" it would not likely be an all or nothing proposition.

                          If a higher death rate is associated with having been vaxxed it stands to reason that there is a greater number that were only injured that as yet survive.

                          When combined with the pretty apparent deliberate "muddling" I suspect deception afoot.

                          Do you remember when they raised the flag "S.A.D.S." for about a cup of coffee never to be heard of again?

                          No one was buying it so it went away......I doubt that the motivation for it's invention has though.
                          What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                          Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                          https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                          I was born under a wandrin star.

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                          • #14
                            TrappedinCalifornia
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jan 2018
                            • 8276

                            Originally posted by el chivo
                            the Ukraine thread?
                            Uh... ... "No."

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                            • #15
                              stonefly-2
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 4993

                              Originally posted by el chivo
                              the Ukraine thread?

                              Don't rub it in,

                              I was more strident than this site was obliged to support so the fairy tales will need to speak for themselves.
                              What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                              Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                              https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                              I was born under a wandrin star.

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