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  • #61
    TrappedinCalifornia
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    • Jan 2018
    • 8991

    I suspect that the primary reason the current generation is using "pureblood" has to do with Harry Potter rather than the alternative it meant in the not-so-distant past. But, even there, I get the sense (the articles point to TikTok as the originating point in relation to COVID use) that it was more a reaction to being labeled "unvaccinated" than it was to anything 'racist.' However, again, I understand why use of the term "pureblood" would bother someone as the context isn't always as clear as some would like to think it is. (How you may view it isn't universally the case or the sole metric in relation to the term's use.)

    With that said, as I have noted on numerous occasions, I've hesitated while I looked at the 'evidence.' Even now, I'm not seeing a compelling reason to be vaccinated vs. relying on natural immunity. A major part of my reasoning is that, when it comes to actual efficacy, the COVID 'vaccine' is more akin to the 'flu shot' than an actual 'vaccine' insofar as vaccines were understood to work prior to COVID. Further, we've gone from accusations of a 'pandemic of the unvaccinated' to an official recognition or acknowledgement that, at best, the so-called 'vaccine' might help prevent severe illness and is, in reality, no better than natural immunity.

    There's also the variable that the initial shot may not be as deleterious as the shot in conjunction with however many boosters. Whether that has to do with 'suppression' of an individual's natural immune response or other things has yet to be definitively determined. However, I tend to prefer letting the body do its work unless/until it proves incapable of handling it or handling it to the degree necessary.

    In the end, it's still a personal choice and should remain so. I can still see it being 'recommended' for the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. Well, at least in terms of the initial shot. Insofar as 'boosters,' I'll go so far as to, once again, say that such reminds me of the flu shots rather than a 'vaccine' and what that might suggest.

    Personally, I've placed my bet with the idea of having had it (or something remarkably close) in January 2020. I know there are those who like to refute that idea; but, given I've had no 'vaccine' and that was the last time I was sick with whatever 'flu' that was, I'm going to go with it. I know two others who had it at the same time. One died of cancer/stroke back in September at age 79 and was never vaccinated against COVID. The other was vaccinated after being put into long-term care (she's 81 with mobility problems, diabetes, and has had 6 strokes and two heart attacks BEFORE the pandemic) and while she's subsequently 'tested' positive, she was asymptomatic both times she popped positive. (I know she was vaccinated, but remain unclear as to whether she's had any boosters.)

    In the end, I'm dubious that we'll ever have an objective 'truth' about these so-called 'vaccines.' I am, however, completely convinced that what you believe becomes 'truth' to you. Thus, no one, as it stands now, has the 'high ground' in terms of absolute fact beyond a general incredulity over how this whole thing has been handled and what the motivations were and are. Ultimately, if you were vaccinated or you chose not to be, good luck and good health to ya; just realize that your reasons, either way, are not necessarily valid in terms of my rationale or anyone else's.

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    • #62
      LBDamned
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2011
      • 19040

      I've never watched Harry Potter and wouldn't know the reference.

      It was obvious to me what it meant the first time I read it in the context of covid.

      Racism, nope.

      Child's movie, nope.

      Covid = not chit Sherlock welcome to 2023
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      • #63
        TrappedinCalifornia
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        • Jan 2018
        • 8991

        Originally posted by LBDamned
        I've never watched Harry Potter and wouldn't know the reference.

        It was obvious to me what it meant the first time I read it in the context of covid.

        Racism, nope.

        Child's movie, nope.

        Covid = not chit Sherlock welcome to 2023
        I don't really care what you think it means to you and that it lacks any historical context. I was referencing where the term is claimed to have come from...

        Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
        I suspect that the primary reason the current generation is using "pureblood" has to do with Harry Potter rather than the alternative it meant in the not-so-distant past. But, even there, I get the sense (the articles point to TikTok as the originating point in relation to COVID use) that it was more a reaction to being labeled "unvaccinated" than it was to anything 'racist.' However, again, I understand why use of the term "pureblood" would bother someone as the context isn't always as clear as some would like to think it is. (How you may view it isn't universally the case or the sole metric in relation to the term's use.)...
        It takes about 5 seconds on Google to find a plethora of articles citing the Harry Potter series. In other words, it was not derived from or in relation to... Purebloods: The Anti-Semitism and White Supremacy of the Anti-Vax Movement...

        ...The "Pureblood" movement takes this logic even further. As an anti-vax stance, it mingled popular culture with fascist allegory, conjuring the villains of "Harry Potter" and their fantasied families of unmixed ancestry. It referenced Rowling's signature villain, Lord Voldemort, with his mission to create a master race of pure-blooded wizards. It is worth reiterating that these TikTok and Twitter Purebloods identified not with the heroes of "Harry Potter," but with its villains. By this logic, the millions of us getting vaccinated were Mudbloods, the Muggle-born, half-blood wizards and witches who were the heroes and underdogs of Harry Potter...

        The "Pureblood" movement takes this logic even further. As an anti-vax stance, it mingled popular culture with fascist allegory, conjuring the villains of "Harry Potter" and their fantasied families of unmixed ancestry. It referenced Rowling?s signature villain, Lord Voldemort, with his mission to create a master race of pure-blooded wizards. It is worth reiterating that these TikTok and Twitter Purebloods identified not with the heroes of "Harry Potter," but with its villains. By this logic, the millions of us getting vaccinated were Mudbloods, the Muggle-born, half-blood wizards and witches who were the heroes and underdogs of Harry Potter.

        I would argue that the TikTok Purebloods conjure other recent episodes in U.S. history, including the Charlottesville "Unite the Right" rally in August 2017, led by alt-right, white supremacist, and white nationalist protestors. The militant, torch-bearing marchers - mostly white men dressed in the guise of preppy-respectability, with loaded assault rifles and Nazi insignia - chanted "blood and soil," reclaiming the Nazi slogan Blut und Boden. Blut and Boden promoted a vision of ethnic identity based in German ancestry and land. It glorified rural white peasants as the rightful owners of German soil and empowered this population on the false premise that Jewish merchants had taken peasant land and were the source of their economic hardship. What to make of this far-right ideology of blood purity as it casually recirculates in the idiom of the modern anti-vaccine movement?...
        Succinctly... BOTH sides have a point, but that wasn't necessarily the intended context.

        Whether you've watched Harry Potter or read the books makes no difference as that appears or is credited as the source of the label. (As I said, spend 5 seconds on Google.)

        Historically, however, there are reasons why Ole Cuss is not being overly sensitive or 'out to lunch' when he observes...

        Originally posted by OleCuss
        They have the right to their own opinion.

        Myocarditis is easily managed? While in some cases it turns out not to be a big deal in the long-term, there are others who just die.

        People have the right to make their own decisions.


        I do wish people would stop with this "Pureblood" stuff. That's a good old racist term and seeing people applying it to themselves suggests they are, in fact, a racist.

        Choosing another term would be good. UV for Un-Vaccinated? C-Resister would make sense and actually be advocating for resisting the vaccine as well as resisting the disease (at this time it's about the same thing although not for the reasons most talk about on this forum).

        But if you call your self a "pureblood" you are using racist terminology whether you mean to or not.
        I initially had a similar reaction to the term and understand that simply 'making fun' of Ole Cuss does not negate his point. Even if "we" understand that it was not intended within the historical context and, instead, stemmed from a loose association to a (and, perhaps, poorly referenced) popular book/movie series, which itself was alluding to the historical 'racism' which originally spawned the term, others will not be so forgiving or willing to disconnect from the term's actual, historical roots. In short, he has a legitimate point and imitating Trump's 'belittling' and 'disconnected' style of reproaching doesn't change that.

        I get it. What YOU mean may not have anything to do with 'racism.' What it may mean to a more (or less) objective audience is something else; which appeared to be what Ole Cuss was getting at when he was suggesting that it was a 'poor choice' of counter-labeling. As I said...

        Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
        ...In the end, I'm dubious that we'll ever have an objective 'truth' about these so-called 'vaccines.' I am, however, completely convinced that what you believe becomes 'truth' to you. Thus, no one, as it stands now, has the 'high ground' in terms of absolute fact beyond a general incredulity over how this whole thing has been handled and what the motivations were and are. Ultimately, if you were vaccinated or you chose not to be, good luck and good health to ya; just realize that your reasons, either way, are not necessarily valid in terms of my rationale or anyone else's.

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        • #64
          LBDamned
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2011
          • 19040

          ^^^ I don't care what you think it means either.

          And the wall of text never changes anything.
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          • #65
            TrappedinCalifornia
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2018
            • 8991

            Originally posted by LBDamned
            ^^^ I don't care what you think it means either.

            And the wall of text never changes anything.
            It's not about what "I think" it means. It's about what it has been overtly attributed to or as it was usurped by; something you claim to have been unaware of. Such suggests a 'need' for illustration so that you might better apprehend what is being said as a lack of awareness does not negate the clear and obvious historical problems associated with the term as a 'counter label' to the use of 'unvaccinated' labeling as fulmination.

            By the way, once again dropping back on the "walls of text" lamentation/narrative does not negate the points being made or obviate the documentation provided. Remember, brevity has its own, potential limitations in terms of not only creating 'change,' but in the context of elucidation and argumentation regarding those who've made a personal choice.
            Last edited by TrappedinCalifornia; 06-03-2023, 1:32 AM.

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            • #66
              LBDamned
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Feb 2011
              • 19040

              Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
              It's not about what "I think" it means. .
              So it's okay that 'you don't care what I think it means' (as stated in the post I responded to), but what 'you' think it means doesn't matter.

              Take your hypocrtical sensitivities elsewhere.
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              • #67
                Epaphroditus
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                • Sep 2013
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                Such a distraction "pureblood" ... that's why I always use the phrase "control group".
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                • #68
                  TrappedinCalifornia
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                  • Jan 2018
                  • 8991

                  Originally posted by LBDamned
                  So it's okay that 'you don't care what I think it means' (as stated in the post I responded to), but what 'you' think it means doesn't matter.

                  Take your hypocrtical sensitivities elsewhere.
                  You just out for a fight or are you trying, unsuccessfully, to make some kind of point?

                  I don't care what you THINK it means and it's not about what I might THINK it means.

                  What I've demonstrated, in a small way, is that OleCuss was not 'wrong' in observing how it fits in an historical sense, something you've not only chosen to disregard, but effectively deny and, in effect, admitted you don't even 'get' the reference...

                  Originally posted by LBDamned
                  I've never watched Harry Potter and wouldn't know the reference.

                  It was obvious to me what it meant the first time I read it in the context of covid.

                  Racism, nope.

                  Child's movie, nope.

                  Covid = not chit Sherlock welcome to 2023
                  Which is why I showed you (and the rest) why he referenced it as such, what it is historically linked to, and where it is claimed to have come from; something which you have openly denigrated and attempted to deflect from.

                  All OleCuss was doing is something I agree with; i.e., suggesting that it is not the best alternative labeling and why. You and others have been the ones demonstrating his point in that you are either in denial or ignorant of the historical reality...

                  Originally posted by Garand Hunter
                  I didn't get rat feces / poison chemical injected into my blood stream....so I am pureblood. Who cares about the old timers and their attitude ? I am 79 and 10 months along on life's Journey and never heard Pureblood liked to racism. If you have heard that, millions of us have Not.

                  Psalm 1
                  Never heard the term "pureblood" linked to racism?! Uh... yeah... right... sure... congratulations.

                  Now, I grant it is possible to go through Life with blinders and even possible to never have been shown or introduced to certain concepts. But... really?

                  Here's another piece which quotes J.K. Rowling (author of the Harry Potter series)... Vaccine Skeptics Are Calling Themselves 'Pure Bloods' in Bizarre Harry Potter Reference...

                  ...J.K. Rowling herself has also pointed out the similarities between pure-bloods and Nazis, thanks to their mutual views on bloodlines and purity.

                  "If you think this is far-fetched, look at some of the real charts the Nazis used to show what constituted 'Aryan' or 'Jewish' blood. I saw one in the Holocaust Museum in Washington when I had already devised the 'pure-blood', 'half-blood' and 'Muggle-born' definitions, and was chilled to see that the Nazis used precisely the same warped logic as the Death Eaters. A single Jewish grandparent 'polluted' the blood, according to their propaganda," wrote the author in a 2007 answer to a fan question online.

                  In 1935, Nazi Germany introduced the Nuremburg Laws, which prevented Germans from marrying Jewish people in order to keep the bloodlines of the "Aryan" race, and required that all citizens have German "blood."...
                  Such is precisely why what is suggested is an alternative to what I have termed a loose association to a (and, perhaps, poorly referenced) popular book/movie series, which itself was alluding to the historical 'racism' which originally spawned the term. As I also noted, others will not be so forgiving or willing to disconnect from the term's actual, historical roots and I've shown just that. Again, it's not about being 'sensitive' or 'deceiving' or 'hypocritical' or 'race baiter' or 'complainer' - all epithets you've thrown out in regard to 'documenting' the actual linkage to race/racism. It's concern over...

                  Originally posted by moond0ggie
                  I dont think he is sensitive to that phrase, I believe he is speaking to the 'optics' of that description & the message it sends to others.
                  When presenting our case to the public at large, we need to be mindful of the underlying message it may send.
                  Although 'pure blood' when used here in the mens club, may sound fitting, it might not be appropriate for use in every venue .
                  You want succinct? That's to the point; just without the historical documentation. Don't want to acknowledge that the term is a very real and/or potential 'distraction'...

                  Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                  Such a distraction "pureblood" ... that's why I always use the phrase "control group".
                  ...and the community might be better served by one which does not immediately invite legitimate, historical criticism which was, supposedly, not the context in which the term was chosen, but was precisely the context of the reference being used; not to mention it having little to do with the actual rationale(s) for the majority who remain unvaccinated?

                  As I said previously...

                  Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                  ...In the end, I'm dubious that we'll ever have an objective 'truth' about these so-called 'vaccines.' I am, however, completely convinced that what you believe becomes 'truth' to you. Thus, no one, as it stands now, has the 'high ground' in terms of absolute fact beyond a general incredulity over how this whole thing has been handled and what the motivations were and are. Ultimately, if you were vaccinated or you chose not to be, good luck and good health to ya; just realize that your reasons, either way, are not necessarily valid in terms of my rationale or anyone else's.

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                  • #69
                    LBDamned
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2011
                    • 19040

                    Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                    Such a distraction "pureblood" ... that's why I always use the phrase "control group".
                    I never use the term, but now that I know how out-of-touch (some) people are - I might reference it regularly. Just to throw them in a tizzy.
                    "Kamala is a radical leftist lunatic" ~ Donald J. Trump

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                    • #70
                      TrappedinCalifornia
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 8991

                      Originally posted by LBDamned
                      I never use the term, but now that I know how out-of-touch (some) people are...
                      This from the individual who stated about what has become a generational touchstone...

                      Originally posted by LBDamned
                      I've never watched Harry Potter and wouldn't know the reference...
                      Harry Potter books stats and facts notes that nearly 31% of Americans have read at least one of the books and 61% have seen at least one of the movies.

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                      • #71
                        LBDamned
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 19040

                        Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                        This from the individual who stated about what has become a generational touchstone...



                        Harry Potter books stats and facts notes that nearly 31% of Americans have read at least one of the books and 61% have seen at least one of the movies.

                        This is 2023 genius. The term we are referencing applies to a much broader spectrum.

                        Yeah, I'm not familiar with a decades old children's movie phrase or even older racist term

                        Take your head out of the past and try to entry reality. I know it's a challenging task for some, and I don't have much faith that it will happen... but I'm sure a chit ton of nonsense comes easy for you though and I'm equally sure we'll see more of that.
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                        • #72
                          JamesH
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • May 2011
                          • 1257

                          I'm seeing the wonderful results of government mandated harassment/sensitivity/DEI training.

                          And, I find it hilarious.

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                          • #73
                            toiletfighter
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 3870

                            Originally posted by JamesH
                            I'm seeing the wonderful results of government mandated harassment/sensitivity/DEI training.

                            And, I find it hilarious.
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                            • #74
                              sigfan91
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                              • Jun 2009
                              • 10255

                              Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                              Such a distraction "pureblood" ... that's why I always use the phrase "control group".
                              I like that.

                              “Are you vaccinated?”

                              “No, I’m part of the control group.”

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                              • #75
                                TrappedinCalifornia
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                                • Jan 2018
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                                Originally posted by LBDamned
                                This is 2023 genius. The term we are referencing applies to a much broader spectrum.

                                Yeah, I'm not familiar with a decades old children's movie phrase or even older racist term

                                Take your head out of the past and try to entry reality. I know it's a challenging task for some, and I don't have much faith that it will happen... but I'm sure a chit ton of nonsense comes easy for you though and I'm equally sure we'll see more of that.
                                Uh... What was that about being 'out of touch?'

                                The Harry Potter series of books began in 1997 and the initial series ended in 2007; i.e., about one generation ago ("20 years"). It's said they have sold over 600 million copies.

                                The film series began in 2001 and ended, for the initial series, in 2011, just over a decade ago. That's without discussing the on-going movies and books, the last movie having been released last year in 2022.

                                That's hardly a "decades old children's" series as you mean it, not to mention that it is marketed in both a children's and an adult series... What Is The Difference Between The Harry Potter Adult Edition And The Harry Potter Children?s Edition? (Revealed)

                                As I said previously, it's become a touchstone for an entire generation and that generation is a 'modern' one, not one from the 'distant past.' I'm hardly of that generation, have never read a single one of the books, and I think I've seen all the movies once each. (I've seen the first two multiple times as I consider them the most entertaining.) But, I've only seen one of the movies in theater and that was the last one, once and that was due to having a free pass which was expiring. (True story.) Yet, even I'm familiar enough with the series to be able to pick up on some things.

                                Insofar as 'old racist term,' the time frame alluded to was the beginning of modern use of the term, not the end. While it is not as 'common' as it once was, there are reasons why Rowling uses the terminology, including in one of the titles - Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince.



                                What you and the others are failing to see is that 'blood' isn't just a Nazi or Black Panthers term which can be isolated to a specific era or context in terms of its use in racist rhetoric. Likewise, you and others have taken it as a personal issue, evidently extrapolating our pointing out REALITY as an indictment of you as a 'racist.' I defy you to go back and point out where I've said anything like that. As OleCuss observed, use of the term is, potentially, problematic as it leaves one open to accusations that have an historical basis in fact, even if not directly applicable to you. What he and I and others are suggesting is the need to get away from such a counter-label in favor of one without the historical connotations which accompany 'pureblood;' at least in terms of a public movement. As he says...

                                Originally posted by OleCuss
                                I'm old. I grew up in the time when certain people used the term "Pureblood" and that was used by racists and no one else.

                                Just because you don't remember or are uneducated doesn't mean I am somehow "woke" or prone to all that frippery.

                                Deal with reality. There are reasons to avoid using terminology like the "N" word and "Pureblood".
                                At best...

                                Originally posted by Epaphroditus
                                Such a distraction "pureblood" ... that's why I always use the phrase "control group".
                                Insults and denials of the reality behind how the terminology has been historically used/contextualized is simply being argumentative and dismissive. It's also evidence of being or strongly suggests that you are actually disconnected from the very point you're attempting to make. As OleCuss put it...

                                Originally posted by OleCuss
                                ...I do wish people would stop with this "Pureblood" stuff. That's a good old racist term and seeing people applying it to themselves suggests they are, in fact, a racist.

                                Choosing another term would be good. UV for Un-Vaccinated? C-Resister would make sense and actually be advocating for resisting the vaccine as well as resisting the disease (at this time it's about the same thing although not for the reasons most talk about on this forum).

                                But if you call your self a "pureblood" you are using racist terminology whether you mean to or not.

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