How many of you are now REAL anti-vax?

[XDJYo]

Just say NO to the bat sauce!

All of the crap that was done over C-19 is crap.

CDC used cell phone data tracking info to show peoples movements.

https://youtu.be/Rm7doPEK5wk

Anecdotally, I know MANY people who got the bat sauce and got awful side effects. One died. 2 developed myocarditis. 3 had bells palsy. And just about 50% or more all got Covid.

[LBDamned]

Yes exactly! It seems all they want to do is get you hooked on their drugs. My wife still goes to the doctor and every damned time they don't care about her problem, its here take these pills for the next 6 months since your symptoms are listed on the package. F that. Worse than street dealers. Its not "don't do drugs" anymore, its "don't do those drugs, do our drugs". Where is Barbara Bush when you need her? Are their any good doctors left who aren't pill pushers? I might have some faith left in emergency docs since they have an immediate task to handle that is generally mechanical and not chemical.

'Boutique' doctors - if you can afford to pay cash.

Insurance based Healthcare is complete garbage. I'm stuck with it - but if I could afford it, I'd go the cash route with real doc.

If employer put all that Insurance premium into a cash Healthcare account, it would be preferred. But of course it's always about 'what if you're hospitalized and have a 200K bill?!... that's never happened to me, but if it does in the future, I'd have enough to cover it had they not wasted the money on Insurance all these years.

[CoopsDad]

I've always done my own research on any medical treatment for me, my wife or my son. This last three years has made me especially skeptical, almost to the point of avoiding the medical industry altogether.

[Palmaris]

'Boutique' doctors - if you can afford to pay cash.

Insurance based Healthcare is complete garbage. I'm stuck with it - but if I could afford it, I'd go the cash route with real doc.

If employer put all that Insurance premium into a cash Healthcare account, it would be preferred. But of course it's always about 'what if you're hospitalized and have a 200K bill?!... that's never happened to me, but if it does in the future, I'd have enough to cover it had they not wasted the money on Insurance all these years.

I think there is one option like this available at BCBS, it is called HSA. Not sure if this is exactly what you want to, but sound like.

[LBDamned]

I think there is one option like this available at BCBS, it is called HSA. Not sure if this is exactly what you want to, but sound like.

HSA is self funded... I don't know what BCBS is...

I'm saying - all the money my employers have wasted over the decades on health care insurance- could have paid for any medical condition(s) I'll ever have...

Cash pay, Will get you the boutique doctor- which was the point of the post (in response to ibanezfoo)

[bruss01]

Not anti-vax per se... but trust in the medical establishment has been shattered. If revoking licenses of doctors and pharmacists can be used to shut them up and limit the scope of their practice to ONLY what is issued by CDC/FDA then we have entered an era where submitting to medical authority is valued more highly than successful patient outcomes, where benefit to the establishment is more important than quality care of the individual.

At this point, I would not trust one word of what I would be told is actually in a vial any doctor proposes to inject into my system, or what its effects would be. In effect, I have to become my own doctor now. That sucks, but the alternative is blind trust in a system and in people that have proven themselves untrustworthy.

If we could go back to the era of sterilizing vaccines (vaccines in the true sense, meaning you will never contract or spread the disease) and the vaccine schedule for kids up through the 1960's, and limit the use of adjuvants (which many believe provoke auto-immune conditions) that would go a long way to restoring trust in the system. And restore the ability of doctors to think independently and practice the best medicine their minds can devise, instead of leaving it to the authorities and the HMO's to dictate their practice. Realistically, that's not going to happen.

[LBDamned]

welcome to the intro of 'socialized medicine'...

I've met several (conservative) women that are into holistic approaches to healthcare... I'm not sure I'm disciplined enough to be as regimented as it takes - but it's a smart move.

[Dooligan]

Be damned sure I will never get a flu shot again (at the very least)

[AGGRO]

Forced to get the jab for work. Almost died. Never again. Fighting it for over a year.

[ibanezfoo]

welcome to the intro of 'socialized medicine'...

I've met several (conservative) women that are into holistic approaches to healthcare... I'm not sure I'm disciplined enough to be as regimented as it takes - but it's a smart move.

My wife has been taking classes from nurses for this kind of thing. Kind of like the Patriot Nurse classes.

[nedro]

I'm pretty much pro Vax.
And that's why I won't take the covid shot.
It is not a vaccine.

[XDJYo]

Be damned sure I will never get a flu shot again (at the very least)

Crap man! Hope you make a full recovery.

I've kept an informal list of all of our friends/relatives etc that have either had C-19, a rough time with C-19 or passed away from it. Also on that list are all of the people who have had a side effects from the vaccine, bad side effects from it or died from it.

So far, there are a LOT of people in the side effects list and those that have had C-19 and still alive. Only a few people who died from C-19 and 1 who died from the vax. Those who died were quite elderly or had other issues (stroke etc). Overwhelmingly, those who had side effects from the vax vary in age from younger to older and in varying condition of healthy to not so much.

Just yesterday, a friend of ours had suffered a serious problem in her kidneys from the vax. I looked it up, but there wasn't a whole lot out there on it. Anyone else here about kidney problems?

[mshill]

Not anti-vax, but like others here will be very particular about any and all shots I get. No more flu shots (never was keen on them in the first place) for me.

[Nick3]

Nearly every institution of importance has been disgraced this last 3 years, imo

[theLBC]

having worked in healthcare for some time, doing a fair bit of legal discovery, i try not to see a "doctor" unless there is a bone sticking out or uncontrollable bleeding.
lucky for some people that there are still decent ones.