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  • #16
    Creeping Incrementalism
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 1721

    Natural immunity is normally better than a vaccine at causing immunity. Vaccines will always be a knockoff of the real thing (the disease), and it is hard to create a substance that creates the same antibody response without also causing the disease. So with Covid-19 we are just following the normal pattern.

    Balgor is a pure troll. With the Rocketman, he is the kind of person who falls prey to the fact that experts are usually not as expert as they think they are. So it doesn't matter how much better informed he might have been when closely following the experts on a given issue.

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    • #17
      FatCity67
      Calguns Addict
      • Jan 2011
      • 5975

      Intelligence Paradox.

      Hook, line, sinker.
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      • #18
        foxtrotuniformlima
        Veteran Member
        • Nov 2008
        • 3454

        The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

        All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.
        Anyone press will hear the fat lady sing.

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        • #19
          Scota4570
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 1719

          Right,


          Traditional vaccines use the actual virus to create the antibodies. Killed or weakened virus is used. It is no longer able to cause disease. It can not reproduce in your body. It does create an immune response to the various parts of the virus. That makes it possible for your body to recognize the various parts for decades and then respond quickly.

          The MRNA shots are only creating the spike proteins, the spike proteins for a particular strain, no others. They may be some overlap, only some, for future variants. It does not work as well as an attenuated virus vaccine. Never did, it never had the efficacy necessary to meet the approval criteria. Your body continues making spike proteins for a long time. They lied about that, it was promoted as very short live in the body. The MRNA can settle in places like you heart or brain. Your body then attacks these tissues because they are making virus protein.

          MRNA vaccines have never been safe or effective. That is why they were and have never been approved based on merit. In pervious clinical trials they never worked out. That is why I refused to get them or allow my family to get them.

          I do think that they have promise for cancer treatment. The acceptable level of side effects is obviously much higher. They are not suitable for flu vaccines.

          John Campbell and some others are speaking out recently on Youtube and Rumble. They are not opinion rants. All of it is backed up with peer reviewed material from medical journals. You did not see it before now because it was censored at the behest of the government. Something has changed. I see the light coming on and the rats are trying to save themselves?

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          • #20
            sbo80
            Senior Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 2264

            am I the only one that's going to point out "natural immunity" is only protective, the second time you catch it? So it assumes you survive the first round. That might not be tolerable to some people, say what you want about covid, it does kill some people. As with all things, it's a measure of risk tolerance. Clearly with many true vaccines, like smallpox etc. the risk is acceptable, just get the shot and not get smallpox, pretty no brainer. This one not so much (particularly since it doesn't protect you from actually catching it, and the shot itself comes with risks), certainly I'll not be letting my kids get this. But the article is not new information, since it's basically true of every contagious disease ever. That's why so many of us as kids were purposefully exposed to chicken pox. Natural immunity for the win. It would be nobel prize winning research if the opposite ended up being true. But covid isn't smallpox or polio, where a vaccine is intended to actually prevent the first infection - which is orders of magnitude worse than covid if you catch it at all.

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            • #21
              Palmaris
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Mar 2009
              • 6278

              I still do not get it-why people called that experimental cloth shot vaccine if it is proven to do NOTHING even by crooks?
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              • #22
                Palmaris
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Mar 2009
                • 6278

                Now it is on Fox https://www.foxnews.com/health/prior...ines-new-study
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                • #23
                  stonefly-2
                  Veteran Member
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 4993

                  Originally posted by Creeping Incrementalism
                  Natural immunity is normally better than a vaccine at causing immunity. Vaccines will always be a knockoff of the real thing (the disease),

                  Not so.....firstly this injection is only a vaccine by virtue of the definition change for vaccine.

                  Secondly an actual vaccine for Covid-19 would be a knockoff of a virus not a mechanism for generating spike proteins.


                  and it is hard to create a substance that creates the same antibody response without also causing the disease. So with Covid-19 we are just following the normal pattern.

                  Also not so...MRNA has "never" been used in this way before and was not tested beforehand.

                  Balgor is a pure troll. With the Rocketman, he is the kind of person who falls prey to the fact that experts are usually not as expert as they think they are. So it doesn't matter how much better informed he might have been when closely following the experts on a given issue.
                  His self worth is based on those things he has "learned",

                  it's the difference between an intelligent person and one with a good memory.
                  What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                  Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                  https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                  I was born under a wandrin star.

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                  • #24
                    stonefly-2
                    Veteran Member
                    • Mar 2013
                    • 4993

                    Originally posted by sbo80
                    am I the only one that's going to point out "natural immunity" is only protective, the second time you catch it? So it assumes you survive the first round. That might not be tolerable to some people, say what you want about covid, it does kill some people. As with all things, it's a measure of risk tolerance. Clearly with many true vaccines, like smallpox etc. the risk is acceptable, just get the shot and not get smallpox, pretty no brainer. This one not so much (particularly since it doesn't protect you from actually catching it, and the shot itself comes with risks), certainly I'll not be letting my kids get this. But the article is not new information, since it's basically true of every contagious disease ever. That's why so many of us as kids were purposefully exposed to chicken pox. Natural immunity for the win. It would be nobel prize winning research if the opposite ended up being true. But covid isn't smallpox or polio, where a vaccine is intended to actually prevent the first infection - which is orders of magnitude worse than covid if you catch it at all.

                    Speaking of assumptions,

                    do you assume that if exposed to Corona virus while following a protocol that protects you from actually getting Covid you would not still develop natural immunity?

                    I'm not saying you're wrong in any way...I really don't know but it seems to me that the body easily fighting off an infection would still develop antibodies in the process.
                    What do you call the people that abandoned the agenda of John Kennedy and adopted the agenda of Lee Oswald?

                    Pronouns: "Dude" and "Playa".

                    https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf


                    I was born under a wandrin star.

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                    • #25
                      sigfan91
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 10300

                      Originally posted by foxtrotuniformlima
                      The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

                      All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.
                      Are you vaxxed or something?

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                      • #26
                        theLBC
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Oct 2017
                        • 6590

                        clotshot stats from NZ don't look good.

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                        • #27
                          sd_shooter
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 13544

                          Originally posted by sigfan91
                          Are you vaxxed or something?
                          Heart disease is easily managed (ProTip: Baby tylenol daily)

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                          • #28
                            Garand Hunter
                            Veteran Member
                            • Feb 2016
                            • 2771

                            I may be a bit aside here, but I am a believer that the Delta variant was CAUSED by the early vaxes. Of course things have progressed past the Delta.

                            Psalm 1

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                            • #29
                              Rottentofu
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2015
                              • 2169

                              Originally posted by sigfan91
                              Are you vaxxed or something?
                              He is. Look at his post history.

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                              • #30
                                johncage
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2018
                                • 993

                                Originally posted by foxtrotuniformlima
                                The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

                                All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.
                                the irony

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