Lancet: Natural Immunity is stronger than Vax against covid

[Creeping Incrementalism]

Natural immunity is normally better than a vaccine at causing immunity. Vaccines will always be a knockoff of the real thing (the disease), and it is hard to create a substance that creates the same antibody response without also causing the disease. So with Covid-19 we are just following the normal pattern.

Balgor is a pure troll. With the Rocketman, he is the kind of person who falls prey to the fact that experts are usually not as expert as they think they are. So it doesn't matter how much better informed he might have been when closely following the experts on a given issue.

[FatCity67]

Intelligence Paradox.

Hook, line, sinker.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.

[Scota4570]

Right,


Traditional vaccines use the actual virus to create the antibodies. Killed or weakened virus is used. It is no longer able to cause disease. It can not reproduce in your body. It does create an immune response to the various parts of the virus. That makes it possible for your body to recognize the various parts for decades and then respond quickly.

The MRNA shots are only creating the spike proteins, the spike proteins for a particular strain, no others. They may be some overlap, only some, for future variants. It does not work as well as an attenuated virus vaccine. Never did, it never had the efficacy necessary to meet the approval criteria. Your body continues making spike proteins for a long time. They lied about that, it was promoted as very short live in the body. The MRNA can settle in places like you heart or brain. Your body then attacks these tissues because they are making virus protein.

MRNA vaccines have never been safe or effective. That is why they were and have never been approved based on merit. In pervious clinical trials they never worked out. That is why I refused to get them or allow my family to get them.

I do think that they have promise for cancer treatment. The acceptable level of side effects is obviously much higher. They are not suitable for flu vaccines.

John Campbell and some others are speaking out recently on Youtube and Rumble. They are not opinion rants. All of it is backed up with peer reviewed material from medical journals. You did not see it before now because it was censored at the behest of the government. Something has changed. I see the light coming on and the rats are trying to save themselves?

[sbo80]

am I the only one that's going to point out "natural immunity" is only protective, the second time you catch it? So it assumes you survive the first round. That might not be tolerable to some people, say what you want about covid, it does kill some people. As with all things, it's a measure of risk tolerance. Clearly with many true vaccines, like smallpox etc. the risk is acceptable, just get the shot and not get smallpox, pretty no brainer. This one not so much (particularly since it doesn't protect you from actually catching it, and the shot itself comes with risks), certainly I'll not be letting my kids get this. But the article is not new information, since it's basically true of every contagious disease ever. That's why so many of us as kids were purposefully exposed to chicken pox. Natural immunity for the win. It would be nobel prize winning research if the opposite ended up being true. But covid isn't smallpox or polio, where a vaccine is intended to actually prevent the first infection - which is orders of magnitude worse than covid if you catch it at all.

[Palmaris]

I still do not get it-why people called that experimental cloth shot vaccine if it is proven to do NOTHING even by crooks?

[Palmaris]

Now it is on Fox https://www.foxnews.com/health/prior...ines-new-study

[stonefly-2]

Natural immunity is normally better than a vaccine at causing immunity. Vaccines will always be a knockoff of the real thing (the disease),

Not so.....firstly this injection is only a vaccine by virtue of the definition change for vaccine.

Secondly an actual vaccine for Covid-19 would be a knockoff of a virus not a mechanism for generating spike proteins.

and it is hard to create a substance that creates the same antibody response without also causing the disease. So with Covid-19 we are just following the normal pattern.

Also not so...MRNA has "never" been used in this way before and was not tested beforehand.

Balgor is a pure troll. With the Rocketman, he is the kind of person who falls prey to the fact that experts are usually not as expert as they think they are. So it doesn't matter how much better informed he might have been when closely following the experts on a given issue.

His self worth is based on those things he has "learned",

it's the difference between an intelligent person and one with a good memory.

[stonefly-2]

am I the only one that's going to point out "natural immunity" is only protective, the second time you catch it? So it assumes you survive the first round. That might not be tolerable to some people, say what you want about covid, it does kill some people. As with all things, it's a measure of risk tolerance. Clearly with many true vaccines, like smallpox etc. the risk is acceptable, just get the shot and not get smallpox, pretty no brainer. This one not so much (particularly since it doesn't protect you from actually catching it, and the shot itself comes with risks), certainly I'll not be letting my kids get this. But the article is not new information, since it's basically true of every contagious disease ever. That's why so many of us as kids were purposefully exposed to chicken pox. Natural immunity for the win. It would be nobel prize winning research if the opposite ended up being true. But covid isn't smallpox or polio, where a vaccine is intended to actually prevent the first infection - which is orders of magnitude worse than covid if you catch it at all.

Speaking of assumptions,

do you assume that if exposed to Corona virus while following a protocol that protects you from actually getting Covid you would not still develop natural immunity?

I'm not saying you're wrong in any way...I really don't know but it seems to me that the body easily fighting off an infection would still develop antibodies in the process.

[sigfan91]

The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.

Are you vaxxed or something?

[theLBC]

clotshot stats from NZ don't look good.

https://twitter.com/_aussie17/status/1627644666672984065?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1627644666672984065%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[sd_shooter]

Are you vaxxed or something?

Heart disease is easily managed (ProTip: Baby tylenol daily)

[Garand Hunter]

I may be a bit aside here, but I am a believer that the Delta variant was CAUSED by the early vaxes. Of course things have progressed past the Delta.

Psalm 1

[Rottentofu]

Are you vaxxed or something?

He is. Look at his post history.

[johncage]

The one thing that you can always count on in this sub-forum is the cherry picking of headlines. Clearly the OP nor most of the posters bothered to read the entire article and surely didn't read the Lancet article.

All this does is help you sleep at night or give you cover for your poor decisions.

the irony