WTF is up with COVID?

[OleCuss]

I'm not anti-vax but I consider myself to be injured by the Covid-19 vaccine. I have had about 6 months of mild numbness in my hands since my 3rd mandated vaccination. I also have persistent right ankle pains, initially it was bilateral but the left ankle has largely resolved.

The vaccine deserves respect. For some people it may still make sense to get the vaccine and it thus deserves respect. Fear of the side effects of the vaccine is not unfounded and that deserves respect as well.

I will not willingly get the current recommended 4th shot. If they come up with a demonstrably beneficial vaccine for the variants I might willingly go for that but they need to give me some darned good statistics.

At this point (given the relatively mild variants) I'm all into the idea of repeated exposures to Covid-19 and getting the infection multiple times to get some darned good immunities built up to multiple variants. The idea of trying to avoid getting the infection doesn't even make sense for me in an era of high transmissibility.

That sounds bizarre to some folk but I think it is the best strategy for those of us who are not at terribly high risk. Still avoid people who are obviously ill if you can - you may get a heavy dose of the virus and you might not do too well.

[nitrofc]

Hygiene is everything.
Few understand this.

[8mmFMJ]

I'm not anti-vax but I consider myself to be injured by the Covid-19 vaccine. I have had about 6 months of mild numbness in my hands since my 3rd mandated vaccination. I also have persistent right ankle pains, initially it was bilateral but the left ankle has largely resolved.

The vaccine deserves respect. For some people it may still make sense to get the vaccine and it thus deserves respect. Fear of the side effects of the vaccine is not unfounded and that deserves respect as well.

I will not willingly get the current recommended 4th shot. If they come up with a demonstrably beneficial vaccine for the variants I might willingly go for that but they need to give me some darned good statistics.

At this point (given the relatively mild variants) I'm all into the idea of repeated exposures to Covid-19 and getting the infection multiple times to get some darned good immunities built up to multiple variants. The idea of trying to avoid getting the infection doesn't even make sense for me in an era of high transmissibility.

That sounds bizarre to some folk but I think it is the best strategy for those of us who are not at terribly high risk. Still avoid people who are obviously ill if you can - you may get a heavy dose of the virus and you might not do too well.

1. This experimental shot deserves NOTHING.

2. Stop calling it a vaccine. It does not vaccinate anyone. Polio vaccine. Now that’s a vaccine. What happened to science?

3. A shot hurt you but you aren’t against it? You sound like some poor confused zombie.

[OleCuss]

At some point in time you should question your assumptions.

[OleCuss]

The problem with the two-shot thing is that it isn't a good series.

They set up a rapid 3-4 week shot interval for two apparent reasons:
1. By rapid sequencing they could get the antibodies up in a hurry. There may have been some benefit to that but it is arguable.
2. They got the vaccine to market faster.

But almost all vaccine series need a separation between the first two shots of 2 months or more if you are looking for long-term benefit.

[8mmFMJ]

Youre probablg right. The whole MRNA thing might be BS

https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/exercises/event201/

https://sdgs.un.org/2030agenda

https://www.loreal.com/-/media/project/loreal/brand-sites/corp/master/lcorp/documents-media/publications/l4f/loreal-for-the-future--booklet.pdf

[8mmFMJ]

At some point in time you should question your assumptions.

[RCBS]

You mean Fauci?

Yes, him too. Our second greatest ally Ukraine may have been involved as well.

[user120312]

Hygiene is everything.
Few understand this.

Yes, very important. I used the old method of wash hands, don't touch face, stay away from others method.
I'm unclear if fomites are a risk with Covid or not.

In my case, I used absence of human contact as a control. In nearly all cases I could document with certainty, I became ill after prolonged absences from human contact, in a couple cases about a month.

Only mammal contact was my cat and the closest human domiciles are nearly 1/4 mile away. That leaves fomites like packages delivered, even if never seeing the human who delivered them.

[Helmut]

[8mmFMJ]

Yes, very important. I used the old method of wash hands, don't touch face, stay away from others method.
I'm unclear if fomites are a risk with Covid or not.

In my case, I used absence of human contact as a control. In nearly all cases I could document with certainty, I became ill after prolonged absences from human contact, in a couple cases about a month.

Only mammal contact was my cat and the closest human domiciles are nearly 1/4 mile away. That leaves fomites like packages delivered, even if never seeing the human who delivered them.

I did nothing. Wore no masks. Got no shots. Limited my contact with no one. Took my children to the mall playplace and to the local parks every day because they stayed open the whole time. Never got sick and neither did my children.

I did some simple math early on and determined we were being lied to as the mortality rate being blasted on every tv was a flat out lie and NEVER not one single time was calculated with a delta factor. This factor assumed (correctly as we have always done) that we could not test every person that had contracted and spread it therefore we had to extrapolate a much larger total population positive number from the actual physically tested positive. We never one time did that. Then magically when people began to discuss this online, the mortality and death score cards disappeared from the MSM.

[OleCuss]

I’ll kindly ask you to read my above post. Ironic you would say this isn’t it?

To be blunt. You don't know what a vaccine is. Some numbskull decided that a vaccine would prevent all infections and that is just utterly wrong universally. Others take it as being wisdom when it is stupidity.

You aren't even nuanced enough on the matter of polio vaccines to differentiate among them let alone understand that neither of them is perfect.

The Salk (IPV) is the better for most societies but even then it doesn't quite have 100% efficacy even after you have complete the series. And the efficacy isn't necessarily for preventing infection but for preventing symptomatic disease.

We don't use the OPV anymore because that version was actually causing some poliomyelitis. Yeah, overall it reduces the polio burden but in this country we have the resources to use the IPV so we just don't use the OPV. If you take a look at that version of the polio vaccines and put it up with your praise of the polio vaccine as what a vaccine is because a vaccine supposedly prevents all infection/disease - you aren't just wrong but bizarrely wrong.

You need to question your assumptions and work toward a nuanced understanding.

In my case? If you haven't noticed, I'm not pushing vaccines for all and I'm certainly not pushing for the current government recommendations.

You also may have missed the fact that the 3rd vaccine was mandated. If not mandated I'd certainly not have chosen to get the 3rd shot when I did. Maybe I'd have gotten it later on but that is not a certainty.

Go question your assumptions. You are making statements which don't comport with reality - and that probably isn't for lack of smarts but because you just aren't sufficiently well-informed in the matter and are listening to some idiots.

And yeah, there are idiots out there.

[yoteassasin]

To be blunt. You don't know what a vaccine is. Some numbskull decided that a vaccine would prevent all infections and that is just utterly wrong universally. Others take it as being wisdom when it is stupidity.

You aren't even nuanced enough on the matter of polio vaccines to differentiate among them let alone understand that neither of them is perfect.

The Salk (IPV) is the better for most societies but even then it doesn't quite have 100% efficacy even after you have complete the series. And the efficacy isn't necessarily for preventing infection but for preventing symptomatic disease.

You need to question your assumptions and work toward a nuanced understanding.

In my case? If you haven't noticed, I'm not pushing vaccines for all and I'm certainly not pushing for the current government recommendations.

You also may have missed the fact that the 3rd vaccine was mandated. If not mandated I'd certainly not have chosen to get the 3rd shot when I did. Maybe I'd have gotten it later on but that is not a certainty.

Go question your assumptions. You are making statements which don't comport with reality - and that probably isn't for lack of smarts but because you just aren't sufficiently well-informed in the matter and are listening to some idiots.

And yeah, there are idiots out there.

[8mmFMJ]

To be blunt. You don't know what a vaccine is. Some numbskull decided that a vaccine would prevent all infections and that is just utterly wrong universally. Others take it as being wisdom when it is stupidity.

You aren't even nuanced enough on the matter of polio vaccines to differentiate among them let alone understand that neither of them is perfect.

The Salk (IPV) is the better for most societies but even then it doesn't quite have 100% efficacy even after you have complete the series. And the efficacy isn't necessarily for preventing infection but for preventing symptomatic disease.

We don't use the OPV anymore because that version was actually causing some poliomyelitis. Yeah, overall it reduces the polio burden but in this country we have the resources to use the IPV so we just don't use the OPV. If you take a look at that version of the polio vaccines and put it up with your praise of the polio vaccine as what a vaccine is because a vaccine supposedly prevents all infection/disease - you aren't just wrong but bizarrely wrong.

You need to question your assumptions and work toward a nuanced understanding.

In my case? If you haven't noticed, I'm not pushing vaccines for all and I'm certainly not pushing for the current government recommendations.

You also may have missed the fact that the 3rd vaccine was mandated. If not mandated I'd certainly not have chosen to get the 3rd shot when I did. Maybe I'd have gotten it later on but that is not a certainty.

Go question your assumptions. You are making statements which don't comport with reality - and that probably isn't for lack of smarts but because you just aren't sufficiently well-informed in the matter and are listening to some idiots.

And yeah, there are idiots out there.

It’s painful to read such responses but, it’s why we are here today. So many people are so confused and will tell me, a graduate in an applied science field, that I don’t know what a vaccine is. It’s truly painful for me to read such drivel responses from brain dead people.

“Ya it hurt me, but it’s still good for you.”

Completely ignoring all instinct. What a colorful world you must live in. You refuted nothing of what I posted and you offered no evidence in rebuttal. Just a lot of words but nothing was really said.

[OleCuss]

I did nothing. Wore no masks. Got no shots. Limited my contact with no one. Took my children to the mall playplace and to the local parks every day because they stayed open the whole time. Never got sick and neither did my children.
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For most fairly healthy people this was a good approach.