First papers from Pfizer through thr FOIA

[Deadon]

They didnt provide much to the attorney's but look at the freaking side effects! Keep in mind this was February 2021 just two months in. How the heck are they getting away with this? I thought it was " if we can just save one life" what happened to that? Does that not apply when it comes to vaccines?

“Cumulatively, through 28 February 2021, there was a total of 42,086 case reports (25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed) containing 158,893 events,” the FDA document continues. “Most cases (34,762) were received from United States (13,739), United Kingdom (13,404) Italy (2,578), Germany (1913), France (1506), Portugal (866).”

https://beckernews.com/the-fda-produced-first-batch-of-confidential-vaccine-docs-now-we-know-why-it-will-take-55-years-43095/

[bugsy714]

Out of how many doses administered? How many of them were permanent life altering side effects and how many were just temporary?


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[Deadon]

Dunno because they redacted that part. Why I dunno. Over 1700 died in just two months of doses. How many jabs were given in two months? I remember them giving us a total a couple months after but I don't remember how many it was.

[Deadon]

I thought it was if we could save just one life? What happened to that? Does it matter how many jabs were given in two months time if over 1700 died? Does the if we can save just one life only apply when it's covid?

[TrappedinCalifornia]

They didnt provide much to the attorney's but look at the freaking side effects! Keep in mind this was February 2021 just two months in. How the heck are they getting away with this? I thought it was " if we can just save one life" what happened to that? Does that not apply when it comes to vaccines?




https://beckernews.com/the-fda-produ...5-years-43095/

As you just saw, the reason they are 'getting away with this' has to do with presentation.

How many out of how many doses? Carefully note the 'medically confirmed' vs. 'reported' (e.g., hearsay) - "25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed." There are always 'side effects,' including mortality, with any vaccine. Right on down the list.

As you say, however, that was only two months in and doesn't include data from the boosters. While the reality is that it will never be reduced to "0" in terms of side effects and mortality, it is comparatively 'safe' so far as we know at this point. Translated... it all comes back to the idea that it sucks to be you if you fall outside the 'anticipated' averages because we don't have sufficient data to be able to make an effective argument otherwise.

In short, the actual Science doesn't know enough, yet, to declare it 'safe' or 'unsafe' in a definitive manner. That's why we see the 'battle of opinions' that's been going on. It's also why we are seeing the coercion via public policy in that they don't have the data to convince the remaining 'vaccine hesitant' ... at least not yet. Unfortunately, those making the counter-arguments also don't have enough data; in large measure because, just as we're seeing with the increase in non-COVID deaths, there hasn't been sufficient focus on those aspects. Put another way, there has been so much focus on looking for 'positive' data to support vaccine mandating, lock downs, et al. that there has been little effective data collection/analyses on the 'negative' (which includes actual, long-term data as such cannot be gathered yet).

[SPUTTER]

Those numbers are way outside the scope of "safe", I don't care how many doses were given. Forcing people to take this risk is a crime.

[bigbossman]

Those numbers are way outside the scope of "safe", I don't care how many doses were given. Forcing people to take this risk is a crime.

Pretty much.

[anthonyca]

They didnt provide much to the attorney's but look at the freaking side effects! Keep in mind this was February 2021 just two months in. How the heck are they getting away with this? I thought it was " if we can just save one life" what happened to that? Does that not apply when it comes to vaccines?




https://beckernews.com/the-fda-produ...5-years-43095/

"The chart lists 1223 fatal outcomes in the Relevant Cases. Interestingly, the age range with the most relevant cases was 31-50 years old, which is not the age group considered to be at high risk from Covid-19. The figure contains the addendum:"

This was back when old people in nursing homes and a few essential workers were allowed to get shots, few of the general public had them at this time. Odd that the shots seem to be killing younger healthy people compared to covid.

[RedPilled1]

As you just saw, the reason they are 'getting away with this' has to do with presentation.

How many out of how many doses? Carefully note the 'medically confirmed' vs. 'reported' (e.g., hearsay) - "25,379 medically confirmed and 16,707 non-medically confirmed." There are always 'side effects,' including mortality, with any vaccine. Right on down the list.

As you say, however, that was only two months in and doesn't include data from the boosters. While the reality is that it will never be reduced to "0" in terms of side effects and mortality, it is comparatively 'safe' so far as we know at this point. Translated... it all comes back to the idea that it sucks to be you if you fall outside the 'anticipated' averages because we don't have sufficient data to be able to make an effective argument otherwise.

In short, the actual Science doesn't know enough, yet, to declare it 'safe' or 'unsafe' in a definitive manner. That's why we see the 'battle of opinions' that's been going on. It's also why we are seeing the coercion via public policy in that they don't have the data to convince the remaining 'vaccine hesitant' ... at least not yet. Unfortunately, those making the counter-arguments also don't have enough data; in large measure because, just as we're seeing with the increase in non-COVID deaths, there hasn't been sufficient focus on those aspects. Put another way, there has been so much focus on looking for 'positive' data to support vaccine mandating, lock downs, et al. that there has been little effective data collection/analyses on the 'negative' (which includes actual, long-term data as such cannot be gathered yet).

How many people died from the other vaccines? Not Covid vaccines, but you know, all the other ones.


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[blackberg]

Out of how many doses administered? How many of them were permanent life altering side effects and how many were just temporary?


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I think the fatalities are pretty permanent

-bb

[The Gleam]

I think the fatalities are pretty permanent

-bb

Yes, but the fatalities would have been much more fatal if they had not been vaccinated; like fatalatal fatal.

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[TrappedinCalifornia]

How many people died from the other vaccines? Not Covid vaccines, but you know, all the other ones.

What they claim or some absolute number? Either way, it's highly unlikely that such a statistic is known with any certainty. Why? For the same reasons we're arguing over; i.e., was it medically confirmed vs. something else vs. even reported vs. an whole host of something else's.

As something you could look at, you might try... Adverse Events Associated with Childhood Vaccines: Evidence Bearing on Causality. It doesn't provide you with a number that you'd want to hang your hat on. What it does is provide you with how all of this is obfuscated and/or drilled down on (depending on your predilection), for instance...

...VAERS began operation in November 1990. By July 31, 1992, there were over 17,000 reports in VAERS, almost 11,000 of which concerned vaccines covered by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Of the total number of reports, just over 2,500 of them were considered to be "serious," which is defined as the following: the patient died, suffered a life-threatening illness, or suffered a reaction that resulted in, or prolonged, hospitalization or that resulted in permanent disability...

"Serious" includes but is not limited to death. So it wasn't 2,500 who died, but 2,500 who experienced an event classified as "serious" during that specific time frame. A little later in the piece...

...The FDA followed up all reports of death following immunization submitted to VAERS during the time period July 1, 1990, to September 30, 1991 (R. P. Wise, FDA, presentation to the ACCV, December 1992). Of 235 reports, 29 were duplicates, leaving 206 unduplicated reports. The submitted data were considered to be adequate for 78 of those reports. Complete follow-up was achieved for an additional 81 reports. Thus, the number of reports with completed assessments was 159. Follow-up was done by FDA staff. Most queries were by telephone, and a few were by mail. There were 3.5 calls per clarified report and 2.5 completed calls per clarified report. The typical succession of calls was first to the reporting physician's office and then one or more referrals to the hospital medical records department, the coroner or medical examiner's office, and occasionally, the county recorder or state public health vaccination department...

Instead, as they note...

...The preceding discussion sets the stage for discussion of the evidence regarding the causal relation between the vaccines reviewed in this report and death. The discussion will focus on deaths that are classified as SIDS and deaths that are a consequence of vaccine-strain vital infection. However, reports of death from all other causes (particularly from passive surveillance systems such as MSAEFI and VAERS) will be summarized for completeness. The committee evaluated VAERS reports submitted between November 1990 and July 1992...

In short, it's not a matter of simply looking up "this" number and setting it against "that" number. Would that it were. While some will call it 'massaging' the numbers and others would call it 'accurizing the numbers' and others would call it other things, the reality is that unless you can medically confirm the death as a direct result of the vaccine... they ain't gonna listen and, even then, they are likely to begin with 'mitigating circumstances and conditions' as a means to further reduce the numbers.

Put another way, what you are seeing with COVID isn't isolated or specific to just COVID.

[SPUTTER]

How many people died from the other vaccines? Not Covid vaccines, but you know, all the other ones.


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You could filter out deaths on the vaers website. The covid vaccine has thousands more death reports than all the other vaccines combined since the 90's and it hasn't been a year yet.

[sbo80]

How many of them were permanent life altering side effects and how many were just temporary?

Hard to say. If you look at the breakdown in the attachment provided, you'll see lots of those effects include a range from "tummy aches" and "my arm hurt" up to actual problems and death.