'Medical community' realizes covid will never go away, herd immunity impossible

[sd_shooter]

Opinion piece from the New England journal of medicine. Despite all the hype about vaccine-induced Herd immunity people are waking up to the fact that covid is the new Flu.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2113403?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

The initial data on inapparent SARS-CoV-2 infection strengthened the hope that, at a certain level of vaccination, transmission would cease completely. To many of us, this hope appeared overly optimistic, and it seems even more so now; the highly transmissible delta variant causes asymptomatic infections and sometimes illnesses (albeit usually mild) in vaccinated people, probably because of increased growth potential, as well as because of waning immunity, which also involves decreasing IgA antibody levels.

Will politicians listen and stop forcing the ineffective vaccine on everyone?

[theduracellbigd]

I agree on the mandates and forcing being wrong, also agree on the be with us like the flu, however I do not agree(jury is still out) on ineffective, Ineffective, yes, does not completely protect you, however does it offer some antibody production that helps in protecting against catching/severity, I think so.

[Beelzy]

The scientific term for this is....Duh!

[tundraboomer]

I agree on the mandates and forcing being wrong, also agree on the be with us like the flu, however I do not agree(jury is still out) on ineffective, Ineffective, yes, does not completely protect you, however does it offer some antibody production that helps in protecting against catching/severity, I think so.

[Fastattack]

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Will politicians listen and stop forcing the ineffective vaccine on everyone?

Short answer: No. They are in too deep. We are at the point that if the courts come through and stop the madness, the politicians will pivot and use the rulings as a convenient scapegoat.

[Epaphroditus]

Natural immunity is the only way to herd immunity. Just like with Spanish Flu.

[MJB]

Well my 80 year old mother and 14 others in the nursing home got Covid in September all vac and all survived.

So we won't know until many years later what worked......

[Deadon]

Side effects should be interesting over time. Google all the drugs that have been recalled and they had years of trials.

[sbo80]

Ineffective, yes, does not completely protect you, however does it offer some antibody production that helps in protecting against catching/severity, I think so.

Has "catching" been actually shown yet to be reduced? I haven't seen any study or heard Fauci make that claim. They call it a "vaccine", then change the definition of "vaccine", then make continual references to "reducing hospitalizations and deaths". But I don't hear them saying anything or posting studies showing there's any actual reduction in catching and transmitting. I think that's on purpose and they are letting everyone assume that based on how we used to understand "vaccines". That's why they keep using the term "breakthrough" cases, suggesting that it's extremely unusual, when it may not be. In a catch-22, if the vax reduces hospitalizations, then absent a massive testing program across whole regions, it's not possible to know how many vaxxed people are in fact catching and spreading. I did see a study from overseas showing large amounts of vaxxed people who have "breakthrough" cases, that they are catching it at home from one of the house members who catch it and bring it in, even though the household was 100% vaxxed, they all caught it. That's not very vaccine-like effects.

[sd_shooter]

CDC no longer talks about herd immunity

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/all-sudden-cdc-has-stopped-talking-about-herd-immunity

While Jones says vaccines are effective against Covid, "even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread," the report says.

[deerdeerdeer]

Has "catching" been actually shown yet to be reduced? I haven't seen any study or heard Fauci make that claim. They call it a "vaccine", then change the definition of "vaccine", then make continual references to "reducing hospitalizations and deaths". But I don't hear them saying anything or posting studies showing there's any actual reduction in catching and transmitting. I think that's on purpose and they are letting everyone assume that based on how we used to understand "vaccines". That's why they keep using the term "breakthrough" cases, suggesting that it's extremely unusual, when it may not be. In a catch-22, if the vax reduces hospitalizations, then absent a massive testing program across whole regions, it's not possible to know how many vaxxed people are in fact catching and spreading. I did see a study from overseas showing large amounts of vaxxed people who have "breakthrough" cases, that they are catching it at home from one of the house members who catch it and bring it in, even though the household was 100% vaxxed, they all caught it. That's not very vaccine-like effects.

They changed fhe definitely of herd immunity also, this is how they beat their own fact checks..

[Gundiver]

[osis32]

Welcome to last March stupid jerks

[Wherryj]

Opinion piece from the New England journal of medicine. Despite all the hype about vaccine-induced Herd immunity people are waking up to the fact that covid is the new Flu.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2113403?query=recirc_mostViewed_railB_article

Will politicians listen and stop forcing the ineffective vaccine on everyone?

No, because even IF there isn't some other agenda (such as getting the population used to the idea of the government being allowed to force you to do pretty much ANYTHING they want), most of the politicians and "physicians" making public health policy are making immense amounts of money off their insider trading in the stocks of the vaccine makers.

[stonefly-2]

I once had a wife who insisted on control but would not correspondingly
accept accountability,
oh how she cried when I dropped papers on her.

This is to me a similar scenario.

There was a point in all this before we realized it was a bioweapon and so
much more we know about it today where we thought humanity was working as one in a mad rush to fight a common foe. (the pandemic)

It may well be be with us forever now yes but had we applied knowledge of the effectiveness of Ivermectin at the time

(no reason to think the couple of dozen other compounds effective in thwarting Covid would not have still come forward)

the spread, the "curve" would have been reversed.

Who do we see about this?
who gets the bill for our careers, our businesses and the dead?

Who exerted (exerts) such force to prevent our recovery from it now?

Will they retain the political capitol they gained for their crimes or live forever on the lookout for the rando in the crowd that misses their loved one?