For anyone in need of a religous exemption response

[fighter4cage]

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[rick1085]

Informed Consent.

Inconsistent info and VAERS data clearly prevent ones ability to be informed.

I do not consent.

Nuremberg Codes says those who force mandates swing by the neck until dead.

No need to drag religion into this question. WWII was supposed to resolve this and many other issues.

The above statement is basically correct.
Unfortunately, Religious grounds is the only exemption that is winning in the courts for now.
Formal religion isn't needed to get an accommodation. Ones personal spiritual belief is enough. That exemption was used by Obama's EEOC for other vaccines.

[deerdeerdeer]

Comply or die, the jab isn't safe,I don't think so in theory.

[Epaphroditus]

I believe I'm informed and I do not consent. Anyone wants to mandate needs to provide a written statement that they do not accept the need of my informed consent and are inisting on coerced medical procedure against my wishes.

Make them own the crime against himanity.

[terry4130]

[bigbossman]

I don't know what your exemption forms look like, but mine had 3 lines to write.

Same here. I just wrote down something like "Pro-life with a strong religious objection to fetal tissue used for development".

Worked for me, no followup or questions asked.

[bigbossman]

....I’ve heard (not sure if true) that some companies were looking online and saying if you used a mass produced letter it didn’t show as sincere beliefs. Totally can’t co firm that , but didn’t want to risk it.

I know for a fact that Kaiser was denying for this very reason.... I was sitting next to a Kaiser employee when he opened the email, and uttered a few choice expletives.

[terry4130]

I know for a fact that Kaiser was denying for this very reason.... I was sitting next to a Kaiser employee when he open the email, and uttered a few choice expletives.

Thanks for confirming my fear. This is very important for people to know.


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[ibanezfoo]

There is a potential issue with claiming a religious exemption based upon the use of aborted fetuses in the development or production of the available COVID-19 vaccines.

First, many of the common medications people use regularly were developed using these same fetal cell tissue lines that originated from aborted fetuses in the 1960s and 70s

https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210918/some-medications-also-tied-to-religious-vaccine-exemption

This article mentions that and at least one employer requiring those who use this claim for a religious exemption to also agree to not use any of the 30 common drugs on the list going forward. An employer can also ask about specific medications you have taken in the recent past.

One of those listed drugs is albuterol, the most commonly used drug to stop asthma attacks. Countless numbers of people are alive today because of it. It is very likely that if you are an asthmatic, you have a rescue inhaler and it contains albuterol. I do believe there is an alternative that is as effective. For me, it made a huge difference in my life when it became available in the US in 1982. Before that, the available medications were not very effective or had major side effects that were just as bad as the asthma.

Here is a link to another article: https://www.rehumanizeintl.org/post/...cal-industries

This is a short article on the use of fetal cell lines in the cosmetic, food, and medical industries.

Many of the every day products you use at home were developed or tested using these same fetal cell lines.

A biotech company used the fetal cell line HEK-293 to develop new flavor additives used in the food industry. You would never know because they are listed as artificial flavors on the ingredients list.

I mention the HEK-293 fetal cell line, which are embryonic kidney cells taken from an aborted female fetus in 1973, because Ivermectin was developed and tested using this same cell line. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2217454/ It is a scientific article that discusses how Ivermectin acts but the cell line used for the research was the HEK-293 line.

The next link provides a list of vaccines that were developed and tested using fetal cell lines as well as alternatives that are available for some.

https://columbuscatholic.org/documents/2017/4/Vaccines%20and%20Alternatives.pdf

Finally, several mainstream religious organizations have made statements promoting vaccination in spite of the use of fetal cell tissues derived from aborted fetuses.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8205255/

I am not saying that this makes a religious claim void. The religious exemption does not require one to show an association with a particular religious group. But, if you are Catholic for example, and have something written on your church letterhead, it might undermine your claim for a religious exemption.

Remember, you have one shot at this. If it is denied and you decide to contest it through any legal means, your original claim for the exemption will be scrutinized and the employer could easily win by demonstrating that you do not have a sincerely held belief just because you are a Catholic. The discovery process can be tough, since it is civil matter, you do not have the right against self-incrimination so you have to answer all questions truthfully. This could include what medications you are currently taking or have taken recently. It might include what medical procedures have you undergone recently.

I do believe some companies just do not want to deal with the potential fighting a lawsuit, and will accept a reasonably thought out religious exemption claim. They just want something to show OSHA or other government regulation agency that is enforcing any mandates.

Others, especially with a significant legal department, may already have done their homework and have no problem in denying claims and letting it go to the next step. Some employees will cave and get the vaccine. Some will just quit or accept being fired. Others will just look for another job.

Usually the next step is an arbitration process and that will take a lot of time because the religious exemption case law is not as well established as it is for the ADA. There is a lot of wiggle room for both the employer and the employee.

A medical exemption under the ADA does allow the employer to place the employee on unpaid leave until the time the employee can meet the requirement or the health concern is no longer an issue. So if a vaccine is required due to a pandemic and a person has a medical condition that prevents them from getting the vaccine, but works in health care the worker can be placed on unpaid leave due to the worker being at a higher risk of becoming infected with the disease and transmitting to other patients in the hospital. The alternative is to make an accommodation to greatly reduce the risk of infection to the worker and if so infected, to transmit the disease to other patients. That can be simply to wear a mask, gloves, and gown and change them every time the worker enters the room of a new patient.


I will say that this debate of the use of cell lines from aborted fetuses to develop the COVID vaccines has been good. It has brought attention to widespread use of these cell lines to develop and test many products we use daily.

I find it ironic that the cosmetic industry has moved away from animal testing to human tissue testing so they can advertise no animals were harmed testing these products. As a teacher, I have seen first hand how many people treat their pets much better than their children. As a parent, the moment I learned my wife was pregnant, she was carrying our child. She felt the same. It changed her mind on abortion. She said the moment she learned she was pregnant, she knew it was a child and it was her responsibility to do everything possible to keep him safe (we have a son who is now 27).

People will throw away their children but complain bitterly about the treatment of animals that often are treated better than children are today.

What is worse, this whole controversy can be avoided. The same fetal tissues are available from fetuses that have been miscarried. It would be the same as donating organs from someone who has died.

The problem is convenience. It is much easier to go to an abortion clinic and get the consent of a woman who is getting an abortion. She does not what the child so she can feel less guilty if she donates it to science.

For a woman who had had a miscarriage, it is a very emotionally traumatic time and no one wants to deal with getting consent. It makes it messy for the research community. They like things to be clinical and without emotion, unless of course it is some great new treatment for cancer. BTW, most of the recent cancer treatments have been developed using these fetal cell lines.

The use of monoclonal antibodies that some here have advocated for, often are grown on the same fetal tissue lines.

Personally, I would use the body as a temple and coehersion against informed consent. If I were requesting a religious exemption and was making it the hill I would die on, I would also pay for the advice of an attorney who at least practices in the area of law concerning the ADA. The process for both is very similar. The cost of 30 minute consult may be worth the headaches it can save if you decide to exercise your legal options if the exemption is denied by your employer.

I have learned from experience, it is best to think ahead about what can happen if things do not go as you wish. Many problems can be avoided if you take the right steps to start with.

That is some solid insight. Thanks

[bigbossman]

Thanks for confirming my fear. This is very important for people to know.


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For companies like Kaiser, it's all about control. They have to rule with an iron fist. For companies such as one I work for, it's more about just trying to get along and navigate through these times.

Kaiser is giving people a hard time, and scrutinizing every word. In contrast, all I had to do was ask with no real details given.

[goofcat]

Here is a link to some of the meds that have used fetal cell lines in their development or ingredients.

https://cogforlife.org/wp-content/uploads/vaccineListOrigFormat.pdf

[squeeze]

I don't know what your exemption forms look like, but mine had 3 lines to write. I edited mine on the computer to fit more, but you're just going to piss the person off who you're trying to persuade by dumping a giant wall of text on them.

My suggestion is to try to be clear, get to the point, respectful, and brief.

Exactly It may be a very good sound argument but they will not read it. I didn't.

Edit it severely. Bullet points to draw attention to your arguments.

I just went back and skimmed your one loooooong paragraph. Did I see the word "Nazi" in there? Old saying is: 'The first person who uses the Nazi word looooses.'

[bootstrap]

I know for a fact that Kaiser was denying for this very reason.... I was sitting next to a Kaiser employee when he opened the email, and uttered a few choice expletives.

Tell your Kaiser acquaintance to fight. It has just begun.

Did Kaiser send the same letter to all the employees that used the same religious exemption? Was Kaiser's letter any less sincere because they used the same wording?

When you recite the Pledge of Alligiance, the Lord's Prayer, the Missal, the Muslim prayer, Shabbat prayers .. does it make any of them less sincere because others are saying the exact words?

The only thing that matters is what is stated reflects your sincerely held religious belief. Period, end of paragraph. Now get to work on the reasonable accomodation. When an employee invokes a medical or religious exemption, the employer must act in accordance with the law. Most companies are not used to this en masse so they are bullying and counting on employees' ignorance to either quit or capitulate and get the jab.

If anyone needs some resources on how to dismantle these slimy tactics that corporations are using, send me a PM.