Crazy conspiracy theory to muddy the waters...

[Cali-Glock]

All of the hoopla and controversy about these vaccines has me thinking.

Many conspiracy theorists think that the covid vaccines are really a Trojan horse and that everyone who is vaccinated will die or be sterile or something down the road...

The problem is that those who are getting vaccinated are the mainstream and left, and the 20% or so who are refusing to be vaccinated are generally anti-establishment and/or conservative.

So here is my crazy conspiracy theory to muddy the waters:

These vaccines do work... but for a virus that has yet to be released: those who have been vaccinated will be immune to it and those who have not been vaccinated will die off.

Of course I don't believe this, but I might as well stir up the mud in this crazy pond!

[Notpc]

That was posed earlier in this section of the forum, not a new conspiracy. Problem is, many of the folks who have chosen to pass on the vaccine are blacks and hispanics, not the evil white supremacist Trump voters the media is portraying.

[Libertarian777]

rather not feed conspiracy theories.

We DO know the following:
1. Moderna downloaded (literally) the gene sequence of Covid from China and built a vaccine in 2 days.
2. Moderna had a contract with the US government to create mRNA type vaccines from 2018 I think. Oestensibly this was in preparation for research for a pandemic. (it seems the bat coronavirus / chimeric research was tied to finding coronaviruses that are susceptible to species jump and then simultaneously research how to create a vaccine for such viruses).
3. Am NOT saying this was planned (still likely this leak was an accident; creation of the virus however was NOT an accident), however I find it interesting that Moderna did not come out with a DELTA, MU, Lambda etc variant specific vaccine 2 days after they became VOC (variant of concern), since they've sequenced the variant and should thus be able to easily create specific vaccines (if they could do it for alpha....).

Other question is, how is it that Pfizer is so ahead of everyone in FDA approval, 3rd shot approval and child use approval? It's certainly NOT the technology (Moderna's seems to be better than Pfizers), but they probably have better corporate lawyers who got all their paperwork in order (i.e. follow FDA processes, not actually concerned about efficacy of the vaccine).

Hell if you have good enough lawyers, i'm sure you could get the FDA to approve a mercury/lead injectable concoction that's safe (since no one would have adverse reactions within 15 minutes or 28 days post mercury/lead injection).

[anthonyca]

I have heard that from the beginning and it makes more sense if this is really a conspiracy. They would then have deniability of doing it on purpose and could claim they tried to save the unvaccinated from themselves but they couldn't.

Look at Isreal and Pfizer's relationship. The Israeli government really doesn't like like orthodox and this would be a way to get rid of them, especially the hard core members who refuse the shots.

These are all just talking points and theories but the facts wr know are terrifying enough.

[SPUTTER]

They don't care who dies, as long as people die. I wouldn't be surprised if they despise those that are stupid enough to willingly inject themselves with mystery serum the most.

[stix213]

The problem with these conspiracy theories is they require the cooperation of too many people, between government and all the pharmaceutical companies. Not only the leaders, but the scientists and engineers.

What I find a lot more plausible is 66% of vaccine candidates fail at some point during testing, failing to come to market. You've got a government response which pushed the vaccines through, skipping the majority of testing which usually takes a decade. During this rushed testing you've failed exactly 0% of the vaccines.

Combine that with using experimental new vaccine technology (which should necessitate more testing, not less). You're creating the vaccines to combat a notoriously difficult class of virus to create vaccines for, given that vaccines for the closely related SARS-CoV-1 and MERS failed during animal trials, eventually killing large percentages of the animals.

With all that, it is implausible that all vaccines created so far are really "safe and effective".

This is like if you're a terrible carpenter who on 2/3 of your jobs your work has to be torn down and started over, and now there's a bunch of jobs you have to rush through in a tenth of the time you usually have, and you nail all these jobs perfectly without any significant problems in any of them. It isn't just unlikely, it is almost impossible to believe.

Now if you want to believe in a conspiracy theory, I'd suggest you just need to be at the top pushing this whole mess forward. You push the vaccines through, you have the CDC and FDA do hardly any of their own testing so you don't find any problems yourself. You expect the pharmaceutical companies to cherry pick their own data for studies they provide. You just control the narrative that these are really safe and effective.

Then you just take your chances that without rushing, 2/3 of these vaccines should be failures, so when rushed you'd expect these ones to have even worse chances. Then just sit back and watch as most people take them unaware of the risks. Doing it this way requires far fewer people to actually be a part of the conspiracy.

[M1A Rifleman]

My theory is the vac is a means to track people since the vaccines are serial numbered, tied to your medical record or a record given to you when jabbed.

[Gundiver]

I agree completely. Especially regarding Israel at 4 shots.

[ibanezfoo]

rather not feed conspiracy theories.

We DO know the following:
1. Moderna downloaded (literally) the gene sequence of Covid from China and built a vaccine in 2 days.
2. Moderna had a contract with the US government to create mRNA type vaccines from 2018 I think. Oestensibly this was in preparation for research for a pandemic. (it seems the bat coronavirus / chimeric research was tied to finding coronaviruses that are susceptible to species jump and then simultaneously research how to create a vaccine for such viruses).
3. Am NOT saying this was planned (still likely this leak was an accident; creation of the virus however was NOT an accident), however I find it interesting that Moderna did not come out with a DELTA, MU, Lambda etc variant specific vaccine 2 days after they became VOC (variant of concern), since they've sequenced the variant and should thus be able to easily create specific vaccines (if they could do it for alpha....).

Other question is, how is it that Pfizer is so ahead of everyone in FDA approval, 3rd shot approval and child use approval? It's certainly NOT the technology (Moderna's seems to be better than Pfizers), but they probably have better corporate lawyers who got all their paperwork in order (i.e. follow FDA processes, not actually concerned about efficacy of the vaccine).

Hell if you have good enough lawyers, i'm sure you could get the FDA to approve a mercury/lead injectable concoction that's safe (since no one would have adverse reactions within 15 minutes or 28 days post mercury/lead injection).

Pfizer is part of the swamp...

[turinreza]

The problem with these conspiracy theories is they require the cooperation of too many people, between government and all the pharmaceutical companies. Not only the leaders, but the scientists and engineers.

not really,
scientists and engineers just love doing their job.
they don't need to know the details for the bigger picture

[gimebakmybulits]

rather not feed conspiracy theories.

We DO know the following:

3. Am NOT saying this was planned (still likely this leak was an accident; creation of the virus however was NOT an accident), however I find it interesting that Moderna did not come out with a DELTA, MU, Lambda etc variant specific vaccine 2 days after they became VOC (variant of concern), since they've sequenced the variant and should thus be able to easily create specific vaccines (if they could do it for alpha....).

).

Most likely because of how the royalties are paid out to the owners of the original formula and a vaccine built around the S protein is pretty much pointless as Baric, Perlman and Fauci knew beforehand.

[norcalAF]

That was posed earlier in this section of the forum, not a new conspiracy. Problem is, many of the folks who have chosen to pass on the vaccine are blacks and hispanics, not the evil white supremacist Trump voters the media is portraying.

You think the left doesn't want to be rid of those populations? look at their racist actions throughout history....

[norcalAF]

They don't care who dies, as long as people die. I wouldn't be surprised if they despise those that are stupid enough to willingly inject themselves with mystery serum the most.

That would explain the military vaccination mandate....

[Cali-Glock]

That was posed earlier in this section of the forum, not a new conspiracy. Problem is, many of the folks who have chosen to pass on the vaccine are blacks and hispanics, not the evil white supremacist Trump voters the media is portraying.

That makes sense, I am sure many people have floated the idea, or used it as a counter argument to other theories.

[Notpc]

You think the left doesn't want to be rid of those populations? look at their racist actions throughout history....

They will tolerate them as long as they are useful, and continue to vote for the democrats.