First Responders Nationwide Resist COVID Vaccine Mandates

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Posted this morning from the AP... First responders nationwide resist COVID vaccine mandates

There's a recent thread in the Calguns LEO section of the forum... Anybody concerned with forced Vax at their agency?

Yet, first responders include more than law enforcement. Since we have numerous soon-to-be, active, and retired first responders on this site, I thought it might be interesting to run a poll.

Regardless of your current status, how do you feel regarding vaccination?

• It should be mandated.
• It shouldn't be mandated, but testing/masks must be the alternative.
• Vaccination, testing, and masks should be mandated.
• Nothing should be mandated, it's a personal choice.
• I'm relying on the union to quash this.
• I'll quit, retire, pursue other employment opportunities in lieu of the vaccine.
• It all depends on whether they include Bacon in our next incentive package.

If you'd like, feel free to share your role as a first responder in the comments.

[SPUTTER]

First responders are seeing first hand what these shots are doing to people, that's why they are resisting.

[DentonandSasquatchShow]

My wife is a first responder (Nurse) and we aren't taking no stinking vaccine. We now know the vaccinated can still catch it, can still transmit it. So what is so different than the unvaccinated? Answer is nothing! And something they aren't even talking about is natural immunity. Our family, including my wife, already got it recently. We have natural immunity. Studies are showing NI is 13X greater than the stupid vaccine.

The walls of the scamdemic are beginning to crumble. I see some people starting to get it. But it blows my mind how many people just bury their hand in the sand and want to do whatever Daddy government tells them.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

My wife is a first responder (Nurse) and we aren't taking no stinking vaccine. We now know the vaccinated can still catch it, can still transmit it. So what is so different than the unvaccinated? Answer is nothing! And something they aren't even talking about is natural immunity. Our family, including my wife, already got it recently. We have natural immunity. Studies are showing NI is 13X greater than the stupid vaccine.

The walls of the scamdemic are beginning to crumble. I see some people starting to get it. But it blows my mind how many people just bury their hand in the sand and want to do whatever Daddy government tells them.

I'm with you on the natural immunity. As I've said before, there's a good chance it's what I had in January 2020. I have an optometrist who had it and claims to have both his shots; thus, he feels fairly 'safe.' I know a couple of elderly individuals who had something 'nasty' about the same time I did and they refuse to be vaccinated.

Insofar as things 'crumbling,' scam, fake, real, or something in between, the reality is that we have to deal with the continuing mismanagement, misinformation, abuses, and fallout. Part of that is what I noted a little earlier in another thread. It's almost as if it is becoming or has become a 'religious' quest, with all the attendant 'normality' often associated with such. Inquisition. Ostracism. Persecution. Et al.

Those of us who remain unvaccinated are being cast as a minority, with a capricious core... Poll: 70 percent of unvaccinated Americans would quit their job over exemption-less vaccine mandate

About 70 percent of unvaccinated Americans who are not self-employed said they would likely quit their job if their employer mandated COVID-19 vaccines and did not grant religious or medical exemptions, a new Washington Post/ABC News poll found.

Those numbers don't suggest vaccine mandates would lead to a massive exodus from the workplace since a healthy majority of employees who are working at places that have yet to implement a mandate have already received their shots. But among the 30 percent or so who haven't, there is significant opposition. Only 16 percent from that group would comply with a mandate, while 35 percent said they would seek an exemption and 42 percent would leave. If there's no exemption, then 72 percent of those surveyed said they would quit...

As a result, demonizing them is the next step... Many L.A. cops and firefighters aren’t vaccinated against COVID-19. Is this a public safety threat?

...But despite the priority access and array of incentives, vaccination rates for police, fire and corrections agencies across L.A. and California have lagged well behind the state’s average for adult residents, according to a survey of agencies conducted by The Times.

While about 72% of adult Californians and 64% of Los Angeles residents 16 and older have received at least one vaccine dose, only about 51% of city firefighters and 52% of LAPD officers are at least partially vaccinated...

The low rates, which are not fully understood due to a lack of universal tracking, mar an otherwise positive outlook as the pandemic wanes and the state reopens. As first responders interact regularly with the public, the fact that many remain unvaccinated is a growing source of tension among city officials, public safety leaders and their rank-and-file workforces.

The debate centers on a troubling question: Are unvaccinated public safety workers a threat to public safety?

Law enforcement analysts, activists and ethicists acknowledge that, for the most part, public safety workers should be entitled to make independent decisions about their health. But they also say the reluctance to get vaccinated against COVID-19 is a matter of public concern because of the jobs such workers do — which require them to work in close spaces, such as jails and courthouses, and interact with some of the state’s most vulnerable residents.

Some officials are increasingly eyeing vaccine mandates as agency vaccination rates plateau, incentive programs fall short and the moral implications of an unvaccinated workforce come more sharply into focus...

Many in policing and other public safety sectors lean to the political right, among whom vaccines — and vaccine mandates — have been ridiculed, despite the fact that Republican leaders including former President Trump have been vaccinated...

Community leaders believe that police officers and other public safety officials have helped spread the virus by not wearing masks and refusing to get vaccinated, though such cases are difficult to quantify...

Caplan, the NYU ethicist, said mandates may become necessary, but departments are right to first continue working to gain voluntary compliance. As they do, he said, they should stress the importance to employees’ personal health and to the broader community.

Caplan said public safety employees should care about the fact that getting vaccinated is not merely about their own health but also about that of others...

The short version... We're giving first responders a chance to do the right thing. If they won't do it voluntarily, we'll make them or else.

Just like making people fearful of going to the hospital at the beginning of this thing, if we can make you fearful of first responders...

If we can't, we'll make sure you can't receive service, which is where we seem to be headed.

[SPUTTER]

They can't force them to take the shots. Employees can take an accommodation and that's the end of it. This issue has been settled with flu vaccines in the past.

[stonefly-2]

Oh it's crumbling alright,
as this kind of straight talk grows people will begin to reflect on their lost loved ones...not good.

https://public.clouthub.com/video/bfe42661-c792-40d4-bab7-5e53d904953f

[stormvet]

Saw a article stating that less then 50% of all corrections officers nationwide are vaccinated, some states far less then 50% even the Feds C/O’s are under 50%.

The heat is being applied by several entities, from their departments, the prisoner rights organizations to their own unions/organizations. Many are flat out refusing and will resign or be terminated first. Putting the pressure on the department/ agencies who are already under staffed. They are deathly afraid of the consequences of making the vax mandatory.

[Spanky8601]

It is not just First Responders. Looks like there is concern at the UC system and other institutes of higher learning. https://justthenews.com/nation/scien...ate-irrational

[TrappedinCalifornia]

They can't force them to take the shots. Employees can take an accommodation and that's the end of it. This issue has been settled with flu vaccines in the past.

I am curious what 'accommodation' first responders are going to be able to 'take' which would allow them to not be vaccinated, but still deal with the public - IF - the agenda is to protect the public from disease transmission via first responders and vice versa.

About the only one I'm aware of, at the moment, is regular testing. For example... Marin To Require Vaccine Verification for First Responders

In response to the ongoing surge in COVID-19 cases across the region, Marin County Public Health today released a new health order requiring first responders to verify they are fully vaccinated or test weekly for the virus.

The order, effective September 15, applies to law enforcement officers, firefighters and emergency medical (EMS) personnel and related staff who work in or may respond to emergency calls at high-risk settings such as hospitals, jails, nursing and congregate care facilities...

On July 26, the California Department of Public Health issued an order[External] requiring employers of high-risk healthcare and medical facilities to verify the vaccine status of all workers and requires that unvaccinated workers undergo routine COVID-19 testing. However, this order did not include Emergency Medical Services, law enforcement, or fire workers despite their critical role in public health and safety. The local order will help bridge that gap.

Today's order requires applicable first responder workers to either test weekly for COVID-19 and promptly provide the results to their employers, or provide proof that they are fully vaccinated...

[waveslayer]

My body my choice! Guess that only works if you're liberal and abortions... ponder that one.

No it shouldn't be mandated and no guys vaccines don't stop the spread, never have. Look at the flu vaccine... use common sense , I have more vaccinated in my Covid red zone then unvaccinated.

Your choice.

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[wpage]

It is a choice...

[theLBC]

i'm still not exercising my privilege until the millions of POCs without ID can vote and get the clotshot.

[SPUTTER]

I am curious what 'accommodation' first responders are going to be able to 'take' which would allow them to not be vaccinated, but still deal with the public - IF - the agenda is to protect the public from disease transmission via first responders and vice versa.

About the only one I'm aware of, at the moment, is regular testing. For example... Marin To Require Vaccine Verification for First Responders

Masks are also an accommodation, an example stated by the EEOC and established by the CDC's recommendations.
Besides, the claim that a first responder should be vaccinated to protect the public doesn't have any facts to support it when it's clear that the "vaccines" do not provide immunity.

[BigPimping]

Not this first responder....

[anthonyca]

No mandates. There is no sterilizing immunity with these shots. Most of our big customers are requiring shots to gain entry. This is is biggest privacy and medical tyranny issue of our time.