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  • MJB
    CGSSA Associate
    • Sep 2010
    • 5925

    Vaxers creating the variants....... don't mess with mother nature!



    The Princess Cruise study should have ended the shutdowns and a need for a jab!

    We've been played by all the lies.......now both the vac and unvax creating new variance and time will only tell if they're more deadly but they're not going away anytime soon.
    One life so don't blow it......Always die with your boots on!
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    Dan_Eastvale
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Apr 2013
    • 10052

    And yet, despite this, Isreal, ( and maybe OZ, and NZ as well soon) has stated that COVID with its mutants are here to stay and that they'll booster up and continue lockdowns forever. Wave after wave after wave...

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    • #3
      sd_shooter
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2008
      • 13537

      A cornucopia of new wealth for the pharmaceutical industry

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      • #4
        HibikiR
        Senior Member
        • May 2014
        • 2417

        Variants popped up before the first EUA was issued. Variants started popping up in Oct 2020, shots came out months later in Dec 2020.

        A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.


        Date: October 30, 2020
        Source: University of Texas at Austin
        Summary: A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.

        FDA approved the application three weeks later on 11 December 2020
        Last edited by HibikiR; 09-05-2021, 10:31 PM.

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        • #5
          sigfan91
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2009
          • 10264

          Originally posted by HibikiR
          Variants popped up before the first EUA was issued. Variants started popping up in Oct 2020, shots came out months later in Dec 2020.

          A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.




          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer...cine#Expedited
          Yeah, but now variants are coming out faster.

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          • #6
            seal20
            Veteran Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 3081

            1976. That is all.

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            • #7
              HibikiR
              Senior Member
              • May 2014
              • 2417

              Originally posted by sigfan91
              Yeah, but now variants are coming out faster.
              OP said "creating" so that is what I was specifically addressing.

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              • #8
                UCT
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 410

                Originally posted by HibikiR
                Variants popped up before the first EUA was issued. Variants started popping up in Oct 2020, shots came out months later in Dec 2020.

                A study involving more than 5,000 COVID-19 patients in Houston finds that the virus that causes the disease is accumulating genetic mutations, one of which may have made it more contagious. This mirrors a study published in July that found that around the world, viral strains with the same genetic mutation quickly outcompeted other strains.




                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizer...cine#Expedited
                They were running clinical trials of the vaccines before the variants came out.

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                • #9
                  Libertarian777
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 576

                  Originally posted by UCT
                  They were running clinical trials of the vaccines before the variants came out.

                  Originally posted by sigfan91
                  Yeah, but now variants are coming out faster.
                  To analyse genome variants of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2). Between 1 February and 1 May 2020, we downloaded 10 022 SARS CoV-2 genomes from four databases. The genomes were from infected patients in 68 countries. We ...


                  5775 variants detected in samples between Feb and May 2020, basically the first 3 months this pandemic existed in the west.

                  Would hardly say variants are coming out faster now

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                  • #10
                    sigfan91
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 10264

                    Originally posted by Libertarian777
                    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7375210/

                    5775 variants detected in samples between Feb and May 2020, basically the first 3 months this pandemic existed in the west.

                    Would hardly say variants are coming out faster now
                    Vaccines made them flourish

                    Wait a second....5775 variants detected already in the first 3 months. Each one will require a booster jab, eventually?

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                    • #11
                      2shotjoe
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 26466

                      but i thought there were no approved tests for variants?
                      Originally posted by Kestryll
                      ..you're kind of a sad excuse for an attorney...
                      Originally posted by Libertarian777
                      ...Don't pick either side....

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                      • #12
                        DentonandSasquatchShow
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2018
                        • 1343

                        Originally posted by MJB
                        https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/0...oQUgfsk.mailto

                        The Princess Cruise study should have ended the shutdowns and a need for a jab!

                        We've been played by all the lies.......now both the vac and unvax creating new variance and time will only tell if they're more deadly but they're not going away anytime soon.
                        Virus mutations don't ever get more deadly. In fact quite the opposite. They may become more transmissible but not more deadly.
                        I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.

                        The last time I had faith in the News was when it was with Huey Lewis.

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                        • #13
                          HibikiR
                          Senior Member
                          • May 2014
                          • 2417

                          Originally posted by UCT
                          They were running clinical trials of the vaccines before the variants came out.
                          Ok let's look at Pfizer.

                          The Phase 3 clinical trial of BNT162b2 began on July 27 and has enrolled 43,661 participants to date, 41,135 of whom have received a second dose of the vaccine candidate as of November 13, 2020. Approximately 42% of global participants and 30% of U.S. participants have racially and ethnically diverse backgrounds, and 41% of global and 45% of U.S. participants are 56-85 years of age. A breakdown of the diversity of clinical trial participants can be found here from approximately 150 clinical trials sites in United States, Germany, Turkey, South Africa, Brazil and Argentina.
                          Primary efficacy analysis demonstrates BNT162b2 to be 95% effective against COVID-19 beginning 28 days after the first dose; 170 confirmed cases of COVID-19 were evaluated, with 162 observed in the placebo group versus 8 in the vaccine group Efficacy was consistent across age, gender, race and ethnicity demographics; observed efficacy in adults over 65 years of age was over 94% Safety data milestone required by U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) has been achieved Data demonstrate vaccine was well tolerated across all populations with over 43,000 participants enrolled; no serious safety concerns observed; the only Grade 3 adverse event greater than 2% in frequency was fatigue at 3.8% and headache at 2.0% Companies plan to submit within days to the FDA for EUA and share data with other regulatory agencies around the globe The companies expect to produce globally up to 50 million vaccine doses in 2020 and up to 1.3 billion doses by the end of



                          So why isn't there a Germany, Turkey, or Argentina variant if vaccines supposedly create variants?

                          What vaccine was responsible for the Lambda (Peru OCT 2020) variant?
                          Last edited by HibikiR; 09-06-2021, 3:12 AM.

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                          • #14
                            MJB
                            CGSSA Associate
                            • Sep 2010
                            • 5925

                            You missed it guys. Vaccinated people create a variant and the unvaccined people create a different variant.

                            So the virus is mutating in two different directions and time will tell which one wins.
                            One life so don't blow it......Always die with your boots on!

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                            • #15
                              sd_shooter
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 13537

                              Originally posted by MJB
                              You missed it guys. Vaccinated people create a variant and the unvaccined people create a different variant.

                              So the virus is mutating in two different directions and time will tell which one wins.
                              In the end it doesn't matter. If the 'news' would simply stop talking about it we could continue life as we did before. There are no bodies in the streets, no mass graves. This is not the Black Death. It is a rather contagious virus that's worse than a cold but not as bad as the Flu. Neither of those have a cure and they will always be with us. Eventually even covid will be lumped into the amalgam of "respiratory diseases" tracked by the CDC under the name "ILI."

                              If you want to prolong your grandma's life by a couple years, get her the vax and have her wear a mask. That's all we should be doing. (Sounds heartless, but it's true) You're old? Pneumonia will likely get you. You're old and you fall? End up in the hospital and catch pneumonia.

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