Death Rate Among Vaccinated Over 5 Times HIGHER Than the Unvaccinated in England

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Delta Variant Death Rate Among Vaccinated Over 5 Times HIGHER Than the Unvaccinated in England

For the period of February 1 through August 2 there were COVID Delta variant cases for 47,000 people who had received 2 vaccine doses, and for 151,054 people who were unvaccinated.

In the first group of vaccinated people there were a total of 402 deaths, and in the second much larger group of unvaccinated people there were 253 deaths. To get the death rate you divide the number of deaths by the total number of infection cases.

That gives a death rate of .86 percent among the vaccinated and .17 percent among the unvaccinated. That is an amazing difference. The death rate among vaccinated was just over five times greater than that for the unvaccinated.

In other words, unvaccinated people who got infected were enormously safer from death. How can we explain this huge difference in terms of medical science? It should also be noted that it was determined that the measured viral load in both groups was the same.

https://conservativeplaybook.com/2021/09/03/delta-variant-death-rate-among-vaccinated-over-5-times-higher-than-the-unvaccinated-in-england/

[sigfan91]

Yeah, but the vaccine lessened their symptoms. They would have been deader if they weren't vaccinated.

[2shotjoe]

Take your booster pills, you'll be the first to go!

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[Epaphroditus]

If only they had 3 or 4 shots.

[elSquid]

[GlockN'Roll]

Yeah, but the vaccine lessened their symptoms.

They would have been deader if they weren't vaccinated.

[Dr Rockso]

Yes, the data is in the table on page 18 of this document https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf

The vast majority of cases are in the <50 y/o group, and the vast majority of deaths are in the >50 y/o group.

95% of the >50 y/o population is vaccinated in the UK, so the fact that about 65% of the >50 y/o deaths are vaccinated isn't particularly surprising.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

You folks do realize that other than now saying "5" instead of "6," which could stem from updates to the report, this is actually 'news' that's a couple of months old. From 1 July...

Fact Check-Claim that vaccinated people are six times more likely to die from the Delta variant than those who are unvaccinated is misleading

That piece was based on an earlier version of the report cited...

Yes, the data is in the table on page 18 of this document https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_20.pdf...

The problem I have with Reuters' so-called 'fact check' is found in the passage...

...In England, approximately 85% of the adult population have had one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine and 65% are fully inoculated, Dr Cevik said.

“When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be among those vaccinated,” she added.

The vaccination program also prioritised “clinically vulnerable” individuals, and thus the majority of those vaccinated will “disproportionately represent elderly and those with underlying comorbidities, who are already at significant risk of hospitalisation and death,” Dr Cevik, said.

The posts do not consider the overall higher number of cases due to the Delta variant for those who are unvaccinated compared to those who are inoculated...

The vaccinated have an higher death RATE, but the unvaccinated account for a considerably higher number of CASES. Fair enough. Of course, if you get it and survive, you end up with some level of natural immunity and while there's an argument over whether natural immunity is BETTER and LONGER LASTING than artificial immunity from the vaccines and the pro-vaccine forces are touting superior immunity if you have both, the reality is that if your goal is herd resistance, I'll take natural over artificial, especially if the artificial only lasts for a short time and needs reinforcement.

Put another way, given the survival rate for COVID overall, should we really be looking at the number of identified cases or is the hospitalization/death rate the more significant indicator? It seems to me that the hospitalization/death rate is what is touted as the metric for the effectiveness of the vaccine, not to mention that such was what spawned the "flatten the curve" mantra.

Accusing them of inappropriate data collection is the pot calling the kettle black. We have multiple threads discussing the 'adjustment' of numbers due to a number of variables. We have an open admission by the CDC that there's been no 'standard' for determining the influence of COVID on the actual cause of death and, thus, the numbers being reported are... 'inconsistent' with each other. We have speculation with regard to how break through cases are being counted...

...So most people who are getting really sick have been vaccinated, but since most numbers coming out say the opposite, it appears they are being categorized as unvaccinated, since they are considered "effectively unvaccinated" due to never creating antibodies in response to the vaccine. So sick people who got the shot, but it didn't work, get lumped in with the unvaxed, and used as propaganda to get more people to get the shot which isn't working.

Not proven, but extremely suspicious.

Here in the States, the number of breakthrough infections are also being potentially under counted in another manner. Didn't I see a thread recently where someone cited that they aren't counting those who've only had a single shot as breakthrough infections, citing them, instead, as 'unvaccinated?' Okay. But... Even the one dose was supposed to provide a level of protection. So, which is it? Only the 'fully vaccinated' (where Fauci is now stating that 3 doses looks like it may become the norm) have protection or the original declaration that even the single dose is better than none in that you will have some protection.

Unfortunately, that ain't the all of it from the passage. When most people are vaccinated, most infections and deaths are expected to be from the vaccinated?!?! Uh... What happened to the idea that when most people are vaccinated, we reach herd immunity or herd resistance and infections/deaths are supposed to decline and/or disappear? You know, vaccines doing what vaccines are supposed to do; i.e., if not entirely eradicate, then, at least, provide protection from actual illness.

I know I've asked this before, but... Could somebody work at getting the message straight or, at the very least, not make it so muddled?

[sd_shooter]

Already discussed, multiple times. Seems like the conclusion of the clickbait article is incorect, the death rate among the unvaxxed >50y people is actually higher than the vaxxed:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1740798

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1984 Doublespeak lives....

[CheapBloke]

I think there are alot more cases with unvaccinated is because many of those that are vaccinated think they are immune now and when they do get covid sick, they assume it is the common flu and not get tested.

Where as for the unvaccinated, many assume they have covid when with flu like symptoms and get tested; and we are also forced to take this test because we are unvaccinated for certain activities, sheeples fears, or job related.

Personally I have never got tested, no plans on vaccine, and have nothing in my life that would force me to get tested with results within 72hrs of what I am about to do.

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[Libertarian777]

Already discussed, multiple times. Seems like the conclusion of the clickbait article is incorect, the death rate among the unvaxxed >50y people is actually higher than the vaxxed:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1740798

Under 50 is what we need to focus on, since most over 50 are vaccinated.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Under 50 is what we need to focus on, since most over 50 are vaccinated.

It depends on the threshold you want to have as a minimum. Originally, it was 60% - 70% to achieve herd immunity. Then it was 70+%. Then it became uncertain. Then it became...

It also depends on how one defines 'vaccinated.' One dose? Two doses? Three doses? There is actually debate going on in that regard.

According to USA Facts' US Coronavirus vaccine tracker

• 75 and older = 75.47% fully vaccinated, 84.99% one dose
• 65 - 74 = 78.68% fully vaccinated, 88.59% one dose
• 50 - 64 = 65.59% fully vaccinated, 75.09% one dose
• 40 - 49 = 56.1% fully vaccinated, 66.01% one dose
• 25 - 39 = 47.33% fully vaccinated, 57.19% on dose

It goes downhill from there. The bottom line is that even the 40 - 49 age group is at 2/3 with one dose and, presumably, in the process of getting to the second dose. Even the 25 - 39 cohort is closing in on 60% with at least one dose.

So, when concentrating on age "?" and younger, one needs to first determine what is meant by "vaccinated."

Then you get into the discussion of how many in the population need some form of immunity, natural or vaccination or combination, to achieve herd immunity/resistance... IF... such can actually be achieved. If it can't be achieved, you then have to address why vaccinations would be 'mandatory' in terms of what is hoped to be achieved.