Fauci Says What We Suspected - Expect 'A Flood' of Vaccine Mandates After Approval

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I just noted on the Novavax thread...

The Novavax is what I've been waiting for (even posting as much) in making my ultimate decision as it is potentially indicative of the timeline we are going to be 'permitted' in terms of having to make a choice. (I hope I'm wrong and we are never forced to choose one of the available instead of opting for 'None of the Above' without... mandated consequences.)

But, that 'timeline' merits its own thread, particularly as... Dr. Anthony Fauci: Expect 'a flood' of COVID-19 vaccine mandates after full FDA approval

As soon as the Food and Drug Administration issues a full approval for a COVID-19 vaccine, there will be "a flood" of vaccine mandates at businesses and schools across the nation, Dr. Anthony Fauci told USA TODAY's editorial board on Friday.

Mandates aren't going to happen at the federal level, but vaccine approval will embolden many groups, he predicted.

"Organizations, enterprises, universities, colleges that have been reluctant to mandate at the local level will feel much more confident," he said...

It's something we've all suspected. Coupled with the DOJ's Legal Opinion related to vaccine mandates, the approach is suggestive that we're not going to have much longer before mandates, potentially, become 'universal.' (Particularly given that Fauci has a tendency to 'telegraph' what is being 'thought' in Government circles.)

It's been projected that Pfizer vaccine could get final FDA approval by September and since Moderna expects to complete submission for FDA full approval this month, it does raise questions related to the 'delay' being 'imposed' on the Novavax version, particularly that, as one expert in the post on the Novavax thread said...

...expects the Novavax shot will play an important role in the United States as a booster for currently authorized vaccines...

Remember, again from the Novavax post, the mRNA vaccines...

If so much effort is being put into 'convincing' the 'vaccine hesitant' due to mistrust or lack of trust, why the rush to push through approval and mandates for vaccines people are less inclined to trust?

Why not wait until viable alternatives are available; alternatives which may actually be intended to be preventive rather than simply a prophylaxis treatment to mitigate symptoms, but not prevent infection or transmission?

[SPUTTER]

I'm not sure what all encompasses approval, but would it open up the pharmaceutical companies to other factors that they'd otherwise be able to skirt with EUA? Whose going to be liable for injuries and deaths? Those alone are going to get much worse given the fact that those who haven't taken it, are afraid it's going to hurt them.
If it's approved then obviously the data isn't all there? People have already died and we don't have any answers. I suspect lawsuits and FOIA requests will be filed.

[SanDiego619]

Mandate whatever they want. They can stick their mandate up their arnus for all I care.

[Tere_Hanges]

I always thought it was just a matter of time before the Pfizer gained final FDA approval. I don't see how that should surprise anyone.

Its one of the reasons why I chose to take the Pfizer. I knew it would get final approval within a year. Didnt need a crystal ball to see that coming.

I still think the mRNA Pfizer is "superior" to "traditional" vaccines. I take everything with a grain of salt. There is likely a lot of misinformation on multiple sides, intentional and non intentional. Its really hard for a lot of people to know what the truth is anymore. The media and Democrats have lied for so long about everything. They have no credibility.

[SPUTTER]

There's so many questionable factors surrounding this whole thing, I can't see how mandating these shots would hold up in court. Starting with the PCR tests, CDC patent on SARS-COV, Moderna having the s1 code prior to the outbreak, etc, the whole thing is flimsy at best.

[SPUTTER]

This could also be a psychological trick to make some people get it. Some people will hear this news and think we'll since it's going to get approved, might as well... These people have shown themselves to be liars and tricksters.

[SPUTTER]

The narrative is falling apart, it's no secret the shots are not only a failure but injuring people. It's all over social media. Time is on our side as the bad news on side effects come in.

[Sousuke]

I just noted on the Novavax thread...



But, that 'timeline' merits its own thread, particularly as... Dr. Anthony Fauci: Expect 'a flood' of COVID-19 vaccine mandates after full FDA approval



It's something we've all suspected. Coupled with the DOJ's Legal Opinion related to vaccine mandates, the FDA vows ‘all hands on deck’ effort to get Pfizer coronavirus vaccine full approval as quickly as possible approach is suggestive that we're not going to have much longer before mandates, potentially, become 'universal.' (Particularly given that Fauci has a tendency to 'telegraph' what is being 'thought' in Government circles.)

It's been projected that Pfizer vaccine could get final FDA approval by September and since Moderna expects to complete submission for FDA full approval this month, it does raise questions related to the 'delay' being 'imposed' on the Novavax version, particularly that, as one expert in the post on the Novavax thread said...



Remember, again from the Novavax post, the mRNA vaccines...



If so much effort is being put into 'convincing' the 'vaccine hesitant' due to mistrust or lack of trust, why the rush to push through approval and mandates for vaccines people are less inclined to trust?

Why not wait until viable alternatives are available; alternatives which may actually be intended to be preventive rather than simply a prophylaxis treatment to mitigate symptoms, but not prevent infection or transmission?

I think the problem you will face with Novavax is that its availability may be very limited in the US. The company sees the US market as already saturated so it looks like it will focus on India and the surrounding areas instead. It was something I mentioned in that thread you highlighted that was similar to AstraZenica. To this day, they still haven't submitted to the FDA, and I think its because they don't see a US market.

If you want Novavax, I suspect you will need to make a long road (or air) trip to get it.

[Term]

If they are FDA approved how can they justify the Liability shield anymore?

[wpage]

Even approved meds have warnings and disclaimers.

Lawyers love it all

[TrappedinCalifornia]

I think the problem you will face with Novavax is that its availability may be very limited in the US...

If you want Novavax, I suspect you will need to make a long road (or air) trip to get it.

Guess I'll just have to wait then.

My point was and has been that I want as many options available as possible before I decide whether to get a vaccine or not. Novavax appears, at least on paper, to be a 'better' option than the three currently available and, as an added bonus, it is more 'traditional' in its approach. (It's not the 'efficacy' number, but that it is being reported as more resistant to variants which interests me in that 'boosters,' particularly spaced so closely, are indicative of a treatment and not a preventive. Coupled with previous discussions, prophylaxis treatment without a level of prevention, even loosely, 'guaranteed' doesn't interest me much.)

You may want to go back and read my post on that thread as well. You will note that...

That article was dated as of Friday. I don't think they'd be talking about EUA's and 'important role in the US as a booster' if their intent was to forgo the American market. At least I'd hope they wouldn't.

AstraZeneca has... 'issues'... which go beyond market saturation.

Unfortunately, that brings us back to the time frame at issue. Can it be brought to bear before the "flood of mandates" predicted by Fauci once approval is granted to one of the vaccines, presumably Pfizer? It's going to be interesting.

[Fear58]

I think the problem you will face with Novavax is that its availability may be very limited in the US. The company sees the US market as already saturated so it looks like it will focus on India and the surrounding areas instead. It was something I mentioned in that thread you highlighted that was similar to AstraZenica. To this day, they still haven't submitted to the FDA, and I think its because they don't see a US market.

If you want Novavax, I suspect you will need to make a long road (or air) trip to get it.

There is a market though... the vaccine hesitent. Any company winning billions in government contracts should have a good understanding of all the potential markets.

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[Dan_Eastvale]

Approve it while the data likely shows it's not anywhere near approval status. Just to force mandates for political reasons rather than public health reasons while there is NO emergency.
Independent review of approval data please.

[Sousuke]

That article was dated as of Friday. I don't think they'd be talking about EUA's and 'important role in the US as a booster' if their intent was to forgo the American market. At least I'd hope they wouldn't.

From what I understand its because the US gov stopped funding them and shut down their domestic manufacturing on Friday.

Novavax, the small, Maryland-based company that has been struggling for months to bring its promising protein-based COVID-19 vaccine to market, announced a setback yesterday in its quest for an emergency use authorization (EUA) in the United States, sending its share prices tumbling today.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/covid-19-vaccinemaker-novavax-faces-manufacturing-setback

[TrappedinCalifornia]

From what I understand its because the US gov stopped funding them and shut down their domestic manufacturing on Friday.

Novavax, the small, Maryland-based company that has been struggling for months to bring its promising protein-based COVID-19 vaccine to market, announced a setback yesterday in its quest for an emergency use authorization (EUA) in the United States, sending its share prices tumbling today.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...turing-setback

The part you bolded also includes "UNTIL IT PASSES," which is what the spokesperson I quoted was referencing...

Again, if you go to the post in the other thread I pointed to, you will find we are working from the same article... https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021...turing-setback

What you apparently are confused over is that the company isn't standing still...

...but, it's not abandoning the U.S. market. To the contrary, they are working to clear what appears to be a 'red tape' delay. How difficult that will prove to be remains to be seen as none of us is being allowed a look behind the curtain. Are there very real problems or is this Government being Government or is there an 'agenda' contributing to this? I guess we'll find out.