Third Wave Peak in the UK

[Sousuke]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57962995

Probably need to watch the numbers a bit longer, but its looking like a peak was hit early last week. This is in the middle of complete end to Covid restrictions which hit on the 19th.

I'd say if numbers don't rebound by Thursday, this is probably the beginning of the end.

Interesting fact in the article:

The latest figures from the Office for National Statistics suggest 92% of adults in the UK now have antibodies to the virus in their blood, either through a previous infection or at least one vaccination dose.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

From your linked article...

...Most agree that there is unlikely to be a defined end-point to this pandemic. Instead the disease may become endemic - meaning it continues to circulate at a lower level in pockets of the population with smaller spikes driven by changes to behaviour and seasonal effects...

It's interesting, but many of us 'predicted' it would be endemic some time ago. Most recently, it was specifically discussed surrounding official acknowledgement back in February...

Shocking... Eventually, COVID Could Be Added To The List Of Common Colds

It took me a little longer, but even back in April last year...

...Different situation. Flu is endemic. This thing is, sadly, well on its way to being there. Once that happens we lose some of our better options...

Just bear in mind, as I cautioned...

Short verison, be careful not to confuse "like the common cold" in terms of being an 'endemic' problem with it being "just the common cold." Remember, what they are saying is what I said, that it's gonna be awhile before it might be listed among the 'common colds' insofar as being a disease we can't/won't eradicate and will just have to live with. What too many others have been saying when it comes to 'getting on with it' is something... well... a bit different.

[Sousuke]

From your linked article...



It's interesting, but many of us 'predicted' it would be endemic some time ago. Most recently, it was specifically discussed surrounding official acknowledgement back in February...

Shocking... Eventually, COVID Could Be Added To The List Of Common Colds

It took me a little longer, but even back in April last year...



Just bear in mind, as I cautioned...

Yes by 'beginning of the end' I really mean the pandemic phase, where healthcare systems are threatened etc.

I have no doubt that in the US another 30k will die over the winter and probably 8k in the UK, but that is a far cry from the numbers posted in the last 18 months and figures that most countries will be able to live with.

Just a quick comparison, in the UK the previous peak was 1400 dead per day with a max case rate of 81k peak. This cycle it is about 70 (probably need a few more days to lock in) for a peak case of 60k.

[sd_shooter]

From your linked article...



It's interesting, but many of us 'predicted' it would be endemic some time ago. Most recently, it was specifically discussed surrounding official acknowledgement back in February...

Shocking... Eventually, COVID Could Be Added To The List Of Common Colds

It took me a little longer, but even back in April last year...



Just bear in mind, as I cautioned...

I'll be happy when covid is considered as yet another ILI (Influenza Like Illness.) That's what it has been all along.
- Most of the purported 600k 'covid' deaths were not covid deaths at all
- The highly flawed PCR test was used to prop up the 'case' figures, now that test has officially been banned from use.

The virus is real, the actual effect on society negligible. If there had been no talk about it, we would not even have noticed. Look at Sweden, life never stopped (my Swedish colleagues tell me this first hand.)

[Scota4570]

"Cases-Cases" It is nonsense. Now that the PCR tests are gone it is antibody testing. Getting vaxxed can cause a positive antibody test.

https://www.ucf.edu/coronavirus/question/will-the-covid-19-vaccine-cause-me-to-test-positive/

Expect "cases" to continue to rise and deaths to diminish. Many of the cases are an artifact of vaccination.

[sd_shooter]

Then let's only test the sick, like we used to do with the flu

[sbo80]

as well, a different article today about UK "case counting" (no I won't go look for it again) is that apparently the UK Health dept. has been counting all people who test positive at any point, not just who "go to the hospital for COVID". And since all patients are tested as a matter of course, that means if you burn your hand and go to hospital, get tested, and the test is positive (after you are released with your bandages and cream) you will be counted in the national "hospitalized COVID" list.

[gimebakmybulits]

It's interesting, but many of us 'predicted' it would be endemic some time ago.

Just bear in mind, as I cautioned...

Quote:
Originally Posted by as_rocketman
...Different situation. Flu is endemic. This thing is, sadly, well on its way to being there. Once that happens we lose some of our better options...
Just bear in mind, as I cautioned...

Quote:
Originally Posted by TrappedinCalifornia
Short verison, be careful not to confuse "like the common cold" in terms of being an 'endemic' problem with it being "just the common cold." Remember, what they are saying is what I said, that it's gonna be awhile before it might be listed among the 'common colds' insofar as being a disease we can't/won't eradicate and will just have to live with. What too many others have been saying when it comes to 'getting on with it' is something... well... a bit different.


The thing too many smart people have forgotten or ignored is that the human body is quite well adapted to deal with this if we'd just let it.
And Cartman aka Francis aka FM is definitely not one of those "smart people"

https://youtu.be/rOr1mSnGQ9A

[Libertarian777]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/26/exclusive-half-covid-hospitalisations-tested-positive-admission/

The figures suggest vast numbers are being classed as hospitalised by Covid when they were admitted with other ailments, with the virus picked up by routine testing.
Experts said it meant the national statistics, published daily on the government website and frequently referred to by ministers, may far overstate the levels of pressures on the NHS.

The leaked data – covering all NHS trusts in England – show that, as of last Thursday, just 44 per cent of patients classed as being hospitalised with Covid had tested positive by the time they were admitted.
The majority of cases were not detected until patients underwent standard Covid tests, carried out on everyone admitted to hospital for any reason.
Overall, 56 per cent of Covid hospitalisations fell into this category, the data, seen by The Telegraph, show.

Of course I know exactly what the response to this will be....

"well they may have thought they had X when in actuality they had Covid and thus needed hospitalization." (logic doesn't fly because they're tested upon admission, and then regularly tested after)
when the reality is
"people admitted for various ailments to the hospital... contracted Covid IN the hospital"

[Sousuke]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ive-admission/



Of course I know exactly what the response to this will be....

"well they may have thought they had X when in actuality they had Covid and thus needed hospitalization." (logic doesn't fly because they're tested upon admission, and then regularly tested after)
when the reality is
"people admitted for various ailments to the hospital... contracted Covid IN the hospital"

The question is have they been doing this all along ie. since the fall? If so, then it doesn't really matter as long as there is consistency.

[sd_shooter]

The question is have they been doing this all along ie. since the fall? If so, then it doesn't really matter as long as there is consistency.

They've consistently doubled their covid count?

"I have a broken ankle"
"Ok we'll admit you. Oh look - you have covid as well!"

So the counts are "correct" in the sense that they're counting covid, incorrect in the sense that only half the people in the hospital are there FOR covid.

[Sousuke]

They've consistently doubled their covid count?

"I have a broken ankle"
"Ok we'll admit you. Oh look - you have covid as well!"

So the counts are "correct" in the sense that they're counting covid, incorrect in the sense that only half the people in the hospital are there FOR covid.

I just want the pandemic to be over, so I really only care about the difference in hospitalisations now and in the past.

[sd_shooter]

I just want the pandemic to be over, so I really only care about the difference in hospitalisations now and in the past.

I don't think hospitalizations matter. It would indeed be "over" if it did. This has never been data driven, it has been about control.

CDC death count as of today, "all causes":
(ie. we are back to normal, should lift all restrictions, end all subsidies and benefits, no more rewards for covid cases)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

[SPUTTER]

I don't think hospitalizations matter. It would indeed be "over" if it did. This has never been data driven, it has been about control.

CDC death count as of today, "all causes":
(ie. we are back to normal, should lift all restrictions, end all subsidies and benefits, no more rewards for covid cases)


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c...ess_deaths.htm

Exactly. It's fairly naive to think at this point, to believe this "pandemic" is about a virus. This is a phase in a plan to transform the world as we know it. Phrases that are repeated like mantras, like the "new normal" are telling you exactly this.

[Sousuke]

Exactly. It's fairly naive to think at this point, to believe this "pandemic" is about a virus. This is a phase in a plan to transform the world as we know it. Phrases that are repeated like mantras, like the "new normal" are telling you exactly this.

Not sure about that. At the moment there are zero controls in place apart from international travel.