For the anti vax crew

[sd_shooter]

And if there are more unknown, unexpected, untested fatal or severe health-inhibiting unintended consequences realized in the future, 9-months away, 18-months away, 5 years away, like the many now learned exist, ONLY discovered after dropping this bomb of "vaccines" in a generalized, scatter-gun fashion, regardless of sensible analysis of case-by-case assessment?

Say for example the heart inflamation, nerve damage, or blood clotting issues either return, or simply take longer to materialize in those of a different age, gender, blood type, gene pool, or separate contributing factor? That is highly plausible from what is being seen.

One only needs to study organic systems that are subject to influence of chaos as we are, that the implementation of these "vaccines" presents so many ways of serious and unfortunate unintended outcomes. It would not be the first time a drug, chemical, material, or agent had been dropped on the public as a magic-bullet miracle only to see it writhe out of control.

Hell, that was the whole message of 'Frankenstein; or, the Modern Prometheus' written more than 200 years ago, to honor the power that is science, but to not play gods and abuse it, and certainly not diving in blindly without conscientious testing and caution.

Technical systems, computer systems, can be very predictable due to tightly arranged mathematics, code, and algorithms that we created in the first place.

We drew the map, and we can move the lines or add to them in any way we wish. There is little worry of adding something to such a system that we knowingly put there, whereby we would not also know the outcome of our actions.

That is not the case with the human body. There is still so much we do not know nor the full result of introducing something experimental to such an organic system, as was learned by so many of the verified disastrous side effects seen these past few months. And NONE of the big 3 "vaccine" manufacturers had an inkling of guess that those destructive issues could arise.

So what else may arise in the future long-term that they did not foresee?

On a very simple idea; you put water in your car - but you surely wouldn't put it in the gas tank. And you put gas in your car, but you surely wouldn't put it in the radiator. And under no such circumstances would you experiment with a pseudo tested element and then unleash it on the public in wide scale use in peoples' cars without knowing what the long term effects could be.

But things like that WERE done.... Asbestos, Agent Orange, Thalidomide, Vioxx, hundreds of other drugs, lead additives, pesticides, radiation, and so on.

You mentioned "organ damage" and citing outcomes, but the very same concerns are plausible and reasonable to anticipate in the future from pouring this untested substance in our gas tank.

The heavy marketing campaign behind these "vaccines" reminds me of the nonsensical car products promising to fill the scratches in your cylinder walls, repair rings, and restore your engine to create more horsepower, when all they really do is clog up the oil galley-ways and clot the oil circulation system, eventually causing your engine to blow.

The bizzare arrogance to claim these "vaccines" are 100% safe under the short duration of testing and equally short amount of time they have been out to consumers, is nothing more than anti-science at work, being eclipsed by politics and agenda, and blatant disregard for the unpredictability of how an organic system may respond long-term.

So with that in mind, and the cavalier attitude the big three "vaccine" manufacturers have exhibited in the rush to diseminate these "vaccines" all while enjoying complete immunity for product liability, it just may be that at some point in the future we see heart inflamation slowly arise in other age groups, blood clotting, or some entirely unexpected damage that only a long-term exposure can generate, such as odd forms of cancer, brain/organ damage, or meningitis.

...and then we may see and hear the vaccines having caused "cries and suffering of tough, healthy guys" - patriots or not.

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Great post!

I'm afraid it won't change the opinions of our three remaining Vaxers/virologists.

[LBDamned]

^^^ I agree.

[Libertarian777]

And if there are more unknown, unexpected, untested fatal or severe health-inhibiting unintended consequences realized in the future, 9-months away, 18-months away, 5 years away, like the many now learned exist, ONLY discovered after dropping this bomb of "vaccines" in a generalized, scatter-gun fashion, regardless of sensible analysis of case-by-case assessment?

Say for example the heart inflamation, nerve damage, or blood clotting issues either return, or simply take longer to materialize in those of a different age, gender, blood type, gene pool, or separate contributing factor? That is highly plausible from what is being seen.

One only needs to study organic systems that are subject to influence of chaos as we are, that the implementation of these "vaccines" presents so many ways of serious and unfortunate unintended outcomes. It would not be the first time a drug, chemical, material, or agent had been dropped on the public as a magic-bullet miracle only to see it writhe out of control.

Hell, that was the whole message of 'Frankenstein; or, the Modern Prometheus' written more than 200 years ago, to honor the power that is science, but to not play gods and abuse it, and certainly not diving in blindly without conscientious testing and caution.

Technical systems, computer systems, can be very predictable due to tightly arranged mathematics, code, and algorithms that we created in the first place.

We drew the map, and we can move the lines or add to them in any way we wish. There is little worry of adding something to such a system that we knowingly put there, whereby we would not also know the outcome of our actions.

That is not the case with the human body. There is still so much we do not know nor the full result of introducing something experimental to such an organic system, as was learned by so many of the verified disastrous side effects seen these past few months. And NONE of the big 3 "vaccine" manufacturers had an inkling of guess that those destructive issues could arise.

So what else may arise in the future long-term that they did not foresee?

On a very simple idea; you put water in your car - but you surely wouldn't put it in the gas tank. And you put gas in your car, but you surely wouldn't put it in the radiator. And under no such circumstances would you experiment with a pseudo tested element and then unleash it on the public in wide scale use in peoples' cars without knowing what the long term effects could be.

But things like that WERE done.... Asbestos, Agent Orange, Thalidomide, Vioxx, hundreds of other drugs, lead additives, pesticides, radiation, and so on.

You mentioned "organ damage" and citing outcomes, but the very same concerns are plausible and reasonable to anticipate in the future from pouring this untested substance in our gas tank.

The heavy marketing campaign behind these "vaccines" reminds me of the nonsensical car products promising to fill the scratches in your cylinder walls, repair rings, and restore your engine to create more horsepower, when all they really do is clog up the oil galley-ways and clot the oil circulation system, eventually causing your engine to blow.

The bizzare arrogance to claim these "vaccines" are 100% safe under the short duration of testing and equally short amount of time they have been out to consumers, is nothing more than anti-science at work, being eclipsed by politics and agenda, and blatant disregard for the unpredictability of how an organic system may respond long-term.

So with that in mind, and the cavalier attitude the big three "vaccine" manufacturers have exhibited in the rush to diseminate these "vaccines" all while enjoying complete immunity for product liability, it just may be that at some point in the future we see heart inflamation slowly arise in other age groups, blood clotting, or some entirely unexpected damage that only a long-term exposure can generate, such as odd forms of cancer, brain/organ damage, or meningitis.

...and then we may see and hear the vaccines having caused "cries and suffering of tough, healthy guys" - patriots or not.

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this is literally the reason I say to vaccinate all over 65 + those with co-morbidities.

A 65 year old has between 13 and 17 years of life expectancy left.
Say it takes 10 years for the downside to manifest, means 3-7 years of poor life quality.

For a 5 year old to do the same, means potentially 73 years of poorer life quality.

[sd_shooter]

this is literally the reason I say to vaccinate all over 65 + those with co-morbidities.

A 65 year old has between 13 and 17 years of life expectancy left.
Say it takes 10 years for the downside to manifest, means 3-7 years of poor life quality.

For a 5 year old to do the same, means potentially 73 years of poorer life quality.

You'd make a good replacement for 'Dr' Fauci. That's a common sense policy.

[LBDamned]

this is literally the reason I say to vaccinate all over 65 + those with co-morbidities.

A 65 year old has between 13 and 17 years of life expectancy left.
Say it takes 10 years for the downside to manifest, means 3-7 years of poor life quality.

For a 5 year old to do the same, means potentially 73 years of poorer life quality.

You'd make a good replacement for 'Dr' Fauci. That's a common sense policy.

It's a personal choice regardless of age.

[LDB777]

I support this message, get out and get vaccinated EVERYBODY!

BAAAAA! BAAAAA!

[The Gleam]

this is literally the reason I say to vaccinate all over 65 + those with co-morbidities.

A 65 year old has between 13 and 17 years of life expectancy left.
Say it takes 10 years for the downside to manifest, means 3-7 years of poor life quality.

For a 5 year old to do the same, means potentially 73 years of poorer life quality.

You and I are on the same page with this; I agree, but still a choice, not a mandate - and would push that idea to 80, and anyone from 70 to 80 should still consider the health of the individual on a case by case basis, though it's likely most 70 to 80 years olds would be deemed as a "should" get it. STILL a choice regardless, but it would be reasonable that one might lean motre heavily towards getting the vaccine if in that demographic.

At some point, the upper limits of age present the outlook of "what have I got to lose?"

Which is why I probably won't make my first parachute jump until my 80th birthday. So sure, if I were 80 today, I'd probably get the vaccine too.

Though I'm quite confident I'll live past 100, and still be riding a motorcycle a few days a week when I do. Will work 'til the day I'm dead, no nursing homes, rovking chairs, or walkers for me.

Absolutely refuse.

[SPUTTER]

I don't want anything in me that will prevent me from entering the pearly gates.

[LBDamned]

I don't want anything in me that will prevent me from entering the pearly gates.

Some will try hard to seduce you into changing you mind.

It's absolutely a choice.

We own our decisions.