mRNA Vaccine and Blood Brain Barrier

[Citadelgrad87]

No, it sounds like you sit back, nursing terminal butt hurt, and flit in any time you think you can score a point.

So far, that score is zero. Sound like anyone you see in the mirror?

[gimebakmybulits]

Still waiting for you to say something pertinent to the topic or the video. Have you watched any of it?
I also said I'd only watched 8 minutes or so (17:00-25:00), but found the guy pretty strange, often incorrect or lazy in his commentary - something as rare as hen's teeth when talking to subject-matter experts in any technical field - and so I doubted he's got anything that would rock this world. If you saw something I didn't, get it down here now.

Here's what I asked of you...

So as an internet nobody you are qualified to discredit his views? How about instead of taking the "BigMike" approach, you cite your bona fides and then point out the flaws in his presentation so that us folks that don't have the education you obviously possess can make our own determination as to his credibility.....

since you are saying this

That dude is not firing on all cylinders. He gets some basic stuff wrong - not good for a big deal scientist even one out of his field - and is obsessed with some T-cell mediated side effect that he says must happen. But doesn't happen in practice. If someone more coherent can present the case and show the prevalence in practice, the significance of his concern would be clearer.
He's a life long academic in an unrelated field, with no apparent training in the core fields at issue. Maybe they are a hobby, maybe there's something else going on with him.

about Dr. Bhakdi who has published over three hundred articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology, and parasitology, for which he has received numerous awards.
You are apparently incapable of backing up what you said because...you didn't.

[SPUTTER]

. If you need me to post links that support the basic science or the data so far, that support vaccination and the Covid mRNA vaccines specifically, you're beyond what can be done on an internet forum.

I'd love to see this, but a new thread would be appropriate. The only studies I'm aware of that support the vaccines are the ones that enabled them to get EUA, and those are joke.
I started this thread to share information on the effects of the vaccine on the BBB due to all the neurological side effects people are experiencing. Given that there are no long term studies on these vaccines, we are learning new things everyday. If you think it's all rubbish, the case is closed and the vaccines are safe and effective, by all means start a thread with all your links that prove your point.

[gimebakmybulits]

I didnt say you had to take anything as gospel, for someone desperately flailing around pretending to be the smartest guy in the room, you are failing badly.

Smoke a tailpipe.

That's it? I guess that Esquire bull**** prevents you from admitting you were wrong.
What a ****ing ****

[Citadelgrad87]

That's it? I guess that Esquire bull**** prevents you from admitting you were wrong.
What a ****ing ****

I wasn't wrong, pathetic one. Not at all. You incorrectly accused me of saying you had to take my word, that's a whiff on you, not me, asterisk using goof. And then you accused me, again incorrectly, of saying you had to take anything as gospel.

How about you get a clue before ever addressing me again, deal, kid?

[Sgt. J Beezy]

mRNA Vaccine and Blood Brain Barrier

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[Sgt. J Beezy]

mRNA Vaccine and Blood Brain Barrier

No, it sounds like you sit back, nursing terminal butt hurt, and flit in any time you think you can score a point.



So far, that score is zero. Sound like anyone you see in the mirror?

[freespool]

Now a quick internet search on Sucharit Bhakdi MD reveals that he studied medicine at the University of Bonn in Germany, where he received his MD in 1970. He was a post-doctoral researcher at the Max Planck Institute of Immunobiology and Epigenetics in Freiburg from 1972 to 1976, and at The Protein Laboratory in Copenhagen from 1976 to 1977.

He joined the Institute of Medical Microbiology at Giessen University in 1977 and was appointed associate professor in 1982. He was named chair of Medical Microbiology at the University of Mainz in 1990, where he remained until his retirement in 2012.

He is the most cited microbiologist in German academic history.

Dr. Bhakdi has published over three hundred articles in the fields of immunology, bacteriology, virology, and parasitology, for which he has received numerous awards and the Order of Merit of Rhineland-Palatinate.

So just to be clear I have to take what freespool said as gospel...right? I'm not allowed to ask what qualifies him to make these statements?
You are a special kind of twattwaffle if that's the case.

Again still waiting for the slightest hint of what you found interesting about what he had to say, or how that fits with what I assume are the alternative takes of mainstream medicine (or this guy wouldn't even be on your radar). Well, at least you researched his bio, which doesn't mention much about virology - his specialty was apparently bacteriology - and nothing about vaccinology or epidemiology. And he appears to be senile.

I'd love to see this, but a new thread would be appropriate. The only studies I'm aware of that support the vaccines are the ones that enabled them to get EUA, and those are joke.
I started this thread to share information on the effects of the vaccine on the BBB due to all the neurological side effects people are experiencing. Given that there are no long term studies on these vaccines, we are learning new things everyday. If you think it's all rubbish, the case is closed and the vaccines are safe and effective, by all means start a thread with all your links that prove your point.

Do tell us more. Especially your conclusion that the data so far are a joke. How do you stack all the neurological side effects of the vaccine up against the neurological effects of the viral infection?

For my part I think the millions of people already vaccinated without incident, including the couple dozen I know, put it into the perspective I care about. Vaccination is not without risk, but there's already a lot of data on that score, as well as the risk and consequences of becoming infected with SARS CoV2. You have to pick your poison, as it were. Vaccines have a long history of working medical miracles. The mRNA vaccines appear on track to join that pantheon.

Given the ongoing situation in places like India, or the US just 4 months ago, and the political responses, should we have waited longer for more safety or other data? Based on past vaccine development, what is the likelihood that another few months would have told us more, and what would have been the cost?

You said you were looking to share information, but your responses seem to be more in line with a preference cascade than with enlightenment.

[stonefly-2]

More of this won't get us anywhere.

With all my heart I wish no more damage from the jab and that there be no long term deleterious effects.

I reason that won't be the case.

If I was looking to just be a dick
( and I suspect there would be little argument that I can be)

I would drop an "all your bases" link and post threads about who is going to die and who is not.

the best outcome possible I think for we who have suffered this little political assault would be to ascertain and disseminate information about how to protect from jab caused damage just as we have with the bioweapon caused damage.

Sputter is right on track with the breaking understanding provided by the Japanese study.

As I understand the problem at this (moment in) time it's spike proteins delivered by the jab and meant to mimic the spike proteins in Covid basically getting loose as opposed to how they were predicted to react that is the problem.

If I may suggest a goal that might point us to more productive inquiry
(and stop the bickering)
lets try to ascertain what the difference between the 2 is.

Ideally the non big pharma treatments for Covid would have the same benefit regarding the jab produced spike proteins but I have no reason to think that is the case just yet.

There are a couple of products plus use of pine based tea touted as having the ability to "cover" or maybe flush the spike proteins from the body.

None of the information I've found on this approach has struck me as particularly compelling but worth keeping an eye on.

[stonefly-2]

Again still waiting for the slightest hint of what you found interesting about what he had to say, or how that fits with what I assume are the alternative takes of mainstream medicine (or this guy wouldn't even be on your radar). Well, at least you researched his bio, which doesn't mention much about virology - his specialty was apparently bacteriology - and nothing about vaccinology or epidemiology. And he appears to be senile.
Do tell us more. Especially your conclusion that the data so far are a joke. How do you stack all the neurological side effects of the vaccine up against the neurological effects of the viral infection?

For my part I think the millions of people already vaccinated without incident, including the couple dozen I know, put it into the perspective I care about. Vaccination is not without risk, but there's already a lot of data on that score, as well as the risk and consequences of becoming infected with SARS CoV2. You have to pick your poison, as it were. Vaccines have a long history of working medical miracles. The mRNA vaccines appear on track to join that pantheon.

Given the ongoing situation in places like India, or the US just 4 months ago, and the political responses, should we have waited longer for more safety or other data? Based on past vaccine development, what is the likelihood that another few months would have told us more, and what would have been the cost?

You said you were looking to share information, but your responses seem to be more in line with a preference cascade than with enlightenment.

Give it up Gumby,

word's out on the jab.

[Sgt. J Beezy]

Again still waiting for the slightest hint of what you found interesting about what he had to say, or how that fits with what I assume are the alternative takes of mainstream medicine (or this guy wouldn't even be on your radar). Well, at least you researched his bio, which doesn't mention much about virology - his specialty was apparently bacteriology - and nothing about vaccinology or epidemiology. And he appears to be senile.

Do tell us more. Especially your conclusion that the data so far are a joke. How do you stack all the neurological side effects of the vaccine up against the neurological effects of the viral infection?



For my part I think the millions of people already vaccinated without incident, including the couple dozen I know, put it into the perspective I care about. Vaccination is not without risk, but there's already a lot of data on that score, as well as the risk and consequences of becoming infected with SARS CoV2. You have to pick your poison, as it were. Vaccines have a long history of working medical miracles. The mRNA vaccines appear on track to join that pantheon.



Given the ongoing situation in places like India, or the US just 4 months ago, and the political responses, should we have waited longer for more safety or other data? Based on past vaccine development, what is the likelihood that another few months would have told us more, and what would have been the cost?



You said you were looking to share information, but your responses seem to be more in line with a preference cascade than with enlightenment.

[SPUTTER]

Do tell us more. Especially your conclusion that the data so far are a joke. How do you stack all the neurological side effects of the vaccine up against the neurological effects of the viral infection?

For my part I think the millions of people already vaccinated without incident, including the couple dozen I know, put it into the perspective I care about. Vaccination is not without risk, but there's already a lot of data on that score, as well as the risk and consequences of becoming infected with SARS CoV2. You have to pick your poison, as it were. Vaccines have a long history of working medical miracles. The mRNA vaccines appear on track to join that pantheon.

Given the ongoing situation in places like India, or the US just 4 months ago, and the political responses, should we have waited longer for more safety or other data? Based on past vaccine development, what is the likelihood that another few months would have told us more, and what would have been the cost?

You said you were looking to share information, but your responses seem to be more in line with a preference cascade than with enlightenment.

The study that granted the EUA for the Pfizer vaccine was a joke. They literally injected 22k people and tested them 7 days after and called it good. Vaccines normally take 10+ years to develop for good reasons, NOT months. At this point nobody knows what the long term effects are going to be, so nobody can claim they are safe or effective, period. Furthermore, developing and distributing a vaccine this quickly is unprecedented. The vaers reports on just the covid vaccines by far surpasses all other vaccines combined in the history of vaers. The manufacturers knew this, that's why they were granted immunity from lawsuits. In the past, a vaccine would have been stopped at 25 deaths. We are currently at 4000 deaths and the system is backlogged. An mRNA vaccine has never been approved for use in humans or animals despite being researched for over 20 years.
Currently, if you even post a personal story about a side effect on social media, it's deleted. Why the censorship for a safe and effective vaccine? As we move forward, more and more data will be produced on the effects of the vaccines and I believe they will be discontinued eventually.

[surfdesigner]

Interview with Dr. Byram Bridle where he discusses the bodily issues being created by the spike proteins that are traveling throughout the body.

http://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge

Immunologist and Associate Professor of Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph.

Bleeding/clotting leading to heart issues, clotting in brain/stroke/neurological issues

Accumulations in the Spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and in ovaries

mRNA (toxic/pathogenic) spike proteins passing through breast milk to infants and causing gastrointestinal bleeding

Implications with blood donations of vaccinated, shedding

Infertility

Seriously scary sh**

[stonefly-2]

Interview with Dr. Byram Bridle where he discusses the bodily issues being created by the spike proteins that are traveling throughout the body.

http://omny.fm/shows/on-point-with-alex-pierson/new-peer-reviewed-study-on-covid-19-vaccines-sugge

Immunologist and Associate Professor of Viral Immunology at the University of Guelph.

Bleeding/clotting leading to heart issues, clotting in brain/stroke/neurological issues

Accumulations in the Spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and in ovaries

mRNA (toxic/pathogenic) spike proteins passing through breast milk to infants and causing gastrointestinal bleeding

Implications with blood donations of vaccinated, shedding

Infertility

Seriously scary sh**

You can watch it as a video in my "we made a big mistake" thread but it matters not,

it can't be duped enough as far as I'm concerned.

Posters in this section are starting to break down into 3 categories.

The vaccinated believers that may or may not be starting to have some anxiety.

We that shout a warning loudly over the things we discover.

and those that want YOU to get the jab.

edit: on second look it's not so much a video.

[freespool]

Don't believe I said you couldn't catch the virus. No vaccine prevents you from catching the associated virus, unless you believe in magic force fields I guess. They prevent illness, as this one does for Covid-19, and most likely subsequent transmission. There's a literal use of words - like a 3 year old, or a Covid meme - and there's clinical use in context. You can't talk vaccines without understanding the difference.

The study that granted the EUA for the Pfizer vaccine was a joke. They literally injected 22k people and tested them 7 days after and called it good. Vaccines normally take 10+ years to develop for good reasons, NOT months. At this point nobody knows what the long term effects are going to be, so nobody can claim they are safe or effective, period. Furthermore, developing and distributing a vaccine this quickly is unprecedented. The vaers reports on just the covid vaccines by far surpasses all other vaccines combined in the history of vaers. The manufacturers knew this, that's why they were granted immunity from lawsuits. In the past, a vaccine would have been stopped at 25 deaths. We are currently at 4000 deaths and the system is backlogged. An mRNA vaccine has never been approved for use in humans or animals despite being researched for over 20 years.
Currently, if you even post a personal story about a side effect on social media, it's deleted. Why the censorship for a safe and effective vaccine? As we move forward, more and more data will be produced on the effects of the vaccines and I believe they will be discontinued eventually.

Finally something you can sink your teeth into. You substantially misrepresent the safety data even at time of approval for the Pfizer vaccine, and ignore that a similar amount was available for the essentially identical Moderna. 40,000 is a very large sample size. They waited until they had an average of 2 months at approval, did not call it good, and that's now more than 6 months, not to mention the millions (tens of millions? hundreds?) who have since gotten those vaccines, and are 0-6 months in.

VAERS is a voluntary reporting system with no requirement for clinical assessment before logging, and you know what that means to a motivated participant. Now as I recall, it's important to know if those were deaths with vaccine, or from vaccine? Any motorcycle accidents in there? Any late night Dominion entries? Russian or Chinese psyops? In time, those reported deaths should be sorted out to some degree.

At any rate, you have to pick your poison. Is there an opt-out of the choice? If you think the risk of death, disability, or future problem from injection of a minor amount of labile chemical in one arm muscle, once or twice, is a bigger bogeyman than the infection risk and consequences of Covid-19, that's the choice. At 600,000 deaths +/-, and a lot of unexposed higher risk people left to die, I'm not surprised at the choice many have made to be vaccinated. I wonder how many in India are advocating rolling the dice because Pfizer has liability immunity (if they do)? If I were healthy and 20 or 30 years old and willing to do what it took not to pass it along to anyone more at risk of harm (not at all easy to guard against that), I might think twice, or more likely just wait awhile longer before deciding. As it is, I waited three months beyond eligibility to get mine, because I wanted more safety data.