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  • SAN compnerd
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    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Why are vaccines so favored over treatments?

    Why are vaccines so favored over treatments?

    On March 17, 2021, Emory's non-profit drug development company DRIVE announced its discovery of a new antiviral drug, called molnupiravir (formerly EIDD-2801), which can be administered to outpatients in pill form, and which
    appears safe and reduces SARS-CoV-2 to undetectable levels in COVID-19 patients after five days of administration, according to data from a Phase II clinical trial in the United States[.] ... Although remdesivir and antiviral monoclonal antibodies have received Emergency Use Authorizations from the FDA, they must be given intravenously or by injection. In addition, drugs like molnupiravir could flexibly tackle SARS-CoV-2 variants, which have emerged as a concern in recent months.
    Additionally, "EIDD-2801 has broad spectrum activity against a number of diseases of public health concern, including influenza, SARS-CoV-1, MERS, chikungunya, Ebola and equine encephalitis."

    Ridgeback Biotherapeutics and Merck are involved with the licensing, testing, and manufacturing of this drug. Merck recently announced a non-exclusive licensing agreement with five generic Indian drug companies to manufacture and distribute it in India.

    When it comes to COVID therapeutics, whether they be older, repurposed drugs or hot-off-the-press wonder drugs, the watchword (or phrase) seems to be curb your enthusiasm!

    HCQ (hydroxychloroquine) suffered the ignoble misfortune of having been endorsed by Donald Trump, AKA Orange Man Bad.

    The FDA, who back in March said "people should not use ivermectin to attempt to treat or prevent Covid-19," was recently contradicted by a peer-reviewed study that found that ivermectin effectively treats and prevents COVID.

    Will the government fast-track molnupiravir (the marketing guys need to rename this pronto) under emergency authorization, and will the media and establishment trumpet the drug and make it a household name?

    When it comes to COVID vaccines, there's no doubt that their mantra can be characterized as damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead! And the vaccine mania is only accelerating.

    By the end of April, nearly 100 colleges and universities had decided to require students to be vaccinated for COVID, and the list is growing daily. This, despite legitimate concerns about the vaccines' effects on women's menstrual cycles and fertility.

    Moderna and Pfizer are blazing ahead with vaccine trials for children as young as six months. A two-year-old girl recently died after being injected with the second Pfizer shot (she had been hospitalized since after the first shot and was unfortunately given the second shot while she was still suffering).

    Johns Hopkins released a 71-page document that describes a future where A.I. robots and drones deliver what they're calling self-spreading vaccines:
    Self-spreading vaccines are genetically engineered to move through populations like communicable diseases, but rather than causing disease, they confer protection. The vision is that a small number of individuals in a target population could be vaccinated, and the vaccine strain would then circulate in the population much like a pathogenic virus, resulting in rapid, widespread immunity.
    On March 17, 2021, Emory's non-profit drug development company DRIVE announced its discovery of a new antiviral drug, called molnupiravir (formerly EIDD-2801), which can be administered to outpatients in pill form, and which appears safe and...
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.
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    SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Originally posted by ShotgunPreacher
    Here is why: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    Kinda sad considering this tablet being developed shows effectiveness against several different viral diseases. Hasn't been that long since the possiblity of curing any virus really didn't exist. Then they found a cure for Hep C.

    This development should be shouted from the rooftops, but the owners of America won't allow that.
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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      billped
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      • Oct 2009
      • 2504

      It is typically smarter to avoid a problem than get in one and then be saved.
      Bill

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      • #4
        LBDamned
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        • Feb 2011
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        Marketing.
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          Tere_Hanges
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          Mutations. Replication leads to mutation.
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            Mikeywee
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              elSquid
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              • Aug 2007
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              So I googled it, and saw the recent press release:

              Phase 3 MOVe-OUT Study of Molnupiravir in Outpatients to Proceed, Phase 2/3 MOVe-IN Study in Hospitalized Patients Will Not Proceed Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics today provided an update on the clinical development program for molnupiravir (MK-4482/ EIDD-2801), an investigational orally available antiviral therapeutic. Based on a planned interim analysis of data from the Phase 2, dose-finding portion (Part 1) of two ongoing placebo-controlled Phase 2/3 trials evaluating molnupiravir administered twice a day for five days in outpatients (MOVe-OUT) and hospitalized patients (MOVe-IN) with COVID-19, and from a previously completed Phase 2a dose-ranging study in outpatients, the decision has been made to proceed with the Phase 3 portion (Part 2) of MOVe-OUT in outpatients with COVID-19, evaluating the 800 mg dose of molnupiravir twice daily. Data from MOVe-IN indicate that molnupiravir is unlikely to demonstrate a
              Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing two therapeutic candidates, MK-4482 and MK-7110. This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. Merck continues to advance clinical programs and to scale-up manufacturing for two investigational medicines, MK-7110 and MK-4482 (molnupiravir); molnupiravir is being developed in collaboration with Ridgeback Bio. “We are grateful to our collaborators who worked with us on these vaccine candidates and to the volunteers in the trials,” said Dr.

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                theLBC
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                CGN Contributor
                • Oct 2017
                • 6599

                if a treatment doesn't work, they don't use it.
                if a vaccine doesn't work, they shrug and tell you to get it again.

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                  CaliforniaCowboy
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2015
                  • 1469

                  How many law makers in DC own stock in the vaccine companies?
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                  • #10
                    SAN compnerd
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    CGN Contributor
                    • May 2009
                    • 4725

                    Originally posted by elSquid
                    So I googled it, and saw the recent press release:

                    Phase 3 MOVe-OUT Study of Molnupiravir in Outpatients to Proceed, Phase 2/3 MOVe-IN Study in Hospitalized Patients Will Not Proceed Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics today provided an update on the clinical development program for molnupiravir (MK-4482/ EIDD-2801), an investigational orally available antiviral therapeutic. Based on a planned interim analysis of data from the Phase 2, dose-finding portion (Part 1) of two ongoing placebo-controlled Phase 2/3 trials evaluating molnupiravir administered twice a day for five days in outpatients (MOVe-OUT) and hospitalized patients (MOVe-IN) with COVID-19, and from a previously completed Phase 2a dose-ranging study in outpatients, the decision has been made to proceed with the Phase 3 portion (Part 2) of MOVe-OUT in outpatients with COVID-19, evaluating the 800 mg dose of molnupiravir twice daily. Data from MOVe-IN indicate that molnupiravir is unlikely to demonstrate a


                    So it doesn’t help folks with serious Covid who are in the hospital, and it’s being positioned as a potential drug for folks in early stage covid who have higher chances of a poor outcome. Stage 1 hospitalization rates were not conclusive, so we’ll have to see I guess...

                    OTOH, the approved vaccines are cheap ( $10 - $40 ), seem pretty effective and safe.

                    Probably worth mentioning that we aren’t seeing the Merck covid vaccine on the market because it didn’t make it through the vaccine approval process and was dropped earlier this year:

                    Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today announced that the company is discontinuing development of its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccine candidates, V590 and V591, and plans to focus its SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 research strategy and production capabilities on advancing two therapeutic candidates, MK-4482 and MK-7110. This decision follows Merck’s review of findings from Phase 1 clinical studies for the vaccines. In these studies, both V590 and V591 were generally well tolerated, but the immune responses were inferior to those seen following natural infection and those reported for other SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19 vaccines. Merck continues to advance clinical programs and to scale-up manufacturing for two investigational medicines, MK-7110 and MK-4482 (molnupiravir); molnupiravir is being developed in collaboration with Ridgeback Bio. “We are grateful to our collaborators who worked with us on these vaccine candidates and to the volunteers in the trials,” said Dr.


                    For the conspiracy minded, no doubt that there is a lot of money to be made in a course of treatments, probably more profitable than a one or two shot vaccine.



                    — Michael
                    Remdesvir was touted by Fauci last year as some major breakthrough. Fact is it's not, doesn't help the serious COVID patients, doesn't reduce the risk of death and only helps about 1 in 3 in a minor way. That's an IV drug at $3200 a pop.

                    "Approved" vaccines are under emergency use authorization and the full trials won't be complete for a couple of years. That and the fact that the manufacturers are making billions in profit from what you call 'cheap' because they want to force it on 7 billion people. They appear effective, but safety is a different matter and we won't know the full story until the full trials are completed on what's essentially an experimental vaccine. That combined with the clear fact that the media and big tech are doing everything they can to suppress any factual information on dangers from the vaccine or injuries people might have gotten might be enough to give the critical thinker pause about this vaccine. Why work so hard to hide any truth about dangers? Every vaccine has it's risks so it seems stupid to believe this one is super-super safe.

                    The course of treatment for this new therapy is, if I understand correctly, to take 1~2 pills a day for 5 days. No one knows the cost yet, but if it's less than the ineffective Remdesvir at $3200 a pop (not sure how many treatments are needed, but it's more than one) and the Regeneron antibodies, it would be a great and simple therapy.

                    For the conspiracy minded, do you ever wonder why after over a year dealing with this virus that there are essentially no medically approved therapies? Are we all to believe that there is simply no option to treat this illness other than to let the patient die or get the vaccine?
                    Last edited by SAN compnerd; 05-11-2021, 11:56 AM.
                    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

                    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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                    • #11
                      Den60
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                      • Jul 2016
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                      • #12
                        Palmaris
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                        • Mar 2009
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                        Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                        Why are vaccines so favored over treatments?



                        https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...reatments.html
                        Treatment done once in a blue moon, vaxxing is every 3-6 months and big herd of sheeps lined up already-guaranteed by .gov income for crooks!
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                        • #13
                          Hammertime
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                          • Mar 2011
                          • 3495

                          Some of the most vaccinated countries on earth are shutting down again.

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                          • #14
                            LBDamned
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 19040

                            Originally posted by Hammertime
                            Some of the most vaccinated countries on earth are shutting down again.
                            Preparing for agenda 2.0
                            "Kamala is a radical leftist lunatic" ~ Donald J. Trump

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                            • #15
                              norcalAF
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                              • Jul 2012
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                              Originally posted by billped
                              It is typically smarter to avoid a problem than get in one and then be saved.
                              except in this case you are trading a remotely possible problem for a potentially catastrophic, unknown set of problems that you would not otherwise ever have.

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