Clinical trials on Ivermectin now rolling in.

[SPUTTER]

This stuff is flying off the shelves in TJ.

[SmokeTheClay]

The site you pointed me to, usefully, included statistics summaries in the trials it supports. They're terrible. All very small and weak indications. This is not atypical of exploratory drug trials, but it doesn't present anything like iron-clad proof.

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Ad hominem, abusive. Not helpful.

Please link me to iron-clad proof that any of the vaccines are safe, long term.

Thanks.

GL;HF

[SPUTTER]

He can't even provide iron clad proof they are safe in the short term. Clearly they are not.

[SmokeTheClay]

He can't even provide iron clad proof they are safe in the short term. Clearly they are not.

Hmmmm...then why would he ask for iron-clad proof from another treatment 🤔

[Den60]

So do corticosteroids. Not all anti-inflammatories are beneficial in early phase.

The newly released paper is fine as a survey of small trials with measured benefit, plus speculation about epidemiological dynamics, but you will note it retreats very heavily from the claims Dr. Kory put forth in his testimony. I think he makes a convincing case that ivermectin should be a minor player in the toolbox, but I don't see that it is in any way a game-changer.

Nor are they harmful. Real doctors are treating patients. Research doctors write papers and hope for a government paycheck.

[stonefly-2]

Hmmmm...then why would he ask for iron-clad proof from another treatment 🤔

Who knows,

a better question is how can he take a seemingly plausible appeal to authority

behind "scientist too" and argue in the opposite direction when it

comes to a long list of unanimous,

peer reviewed clinical trials and a laundry list of who's who in microbiology?

[bootstrap]

If there is a proven cure, how is an experimental procedure even legal?

[stonefly-2]

If there is a proven cure, how is an experimental procedure even legal?

How does return on investment take priority over searching any and all

possible cures?

For doctors to discuss the ways of bolstering our immune system is banned

https://www.naturalblaze.com/2021/04/covid-natural-remedies-banned-as-doj-and-ftc-seek-to-silence-doctors-promoting-vitamin-d-c-zinc-etc.html

and you can see here in this thread the extent of Ivermectin being suppressed.

I'm not gullible, I'm pissed.

[SPUTTER]

If Ivermectin becomes an approved treatment then bye bye experimental vaccines. This is why big pharma is doing whatever they can to stop this.
The damage is done though, there's going to be lots of sick people in the coming months, years.

[stonefly-2]

If Ivermectin becomes an approved treatment then bye bye experimental vaccines. This is why big pharma is doing whatever they can to stop this.
The damage is done though, there's going to be lots of sick people in the coming months, years.

It's already an approved treatment,

since January.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/miraculous-ivermectin-approved-for-use-in-the-us-for-the-treatment-of-covid-19

[theLBC]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/05/why_are_vaccines_so_favored_over_treatments.html

[stonefly-2]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...reatments.html

Why indeed

https://www.afinalwarning.com/517354.html

[SAN compnerd]

<snip>
This thread was not about vaccines at all, and certainly not politics around them.

This thread is absolutely about vaccines and the effort to prevent any treatments/therapies that might upend a billion dollar vaccine payday. That **** started with those bogus 'studies' that claimed HCQ killed you.

I have no idea what motivates the President of Argentina.

I smell bull****. No way someone with your intelligence can miss how corrupt most South American countries are.

I doubt you can, actually, but I don't care.

So a man of science like you ignores facts. FIOA requests show the emails between the CDC and AFT. CDC director is admitting she bowed to the AFT.

and I am an elected school board member, with actual skin in the game.

holy crap, glad I'm not in your district.

To my knowledge there was only the one glaring example of falsified HCQ safety trials that might have been politically motivated, but also might have just been really, really sloppy.

Ignorance of the facts is not a good look for someone who relies on facts. RECOVERY gave people lethal doses of HCQ and then claimed it killed you. The VA study gave people lethal doses very late stage and then claimed it killed you. Then there was the totally invented study by that now defuncted big data analysis company that was carried in at least two major medical journals before being retracted.

If I become a political animal and not a scientist, you will know so by my works.

Okay.

You don't discover these things by parroting "alternative viewpoints" by hacks -- that's only choosing a side, and perpetuating the political game.

What I post are factual details that the media censors for political and monetary gain. The fact that you see them as 'alternative viewpoints' speaks to your politicization.

I don't see any reason to think Pfizer colluded with the Biden campaign.

For a guy who is so well schooled in analytics you sure lack any common sense and are very poorly informed. I guess if you are ignorant of all the blatant corruption then you could claim to be only concerned with the science, but it makes you look foolish in the big picture.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/12/biden-informed-of-pfizers-vaccine-news-before-government-health-officials/

[Elgatodeacero]

This is a duplicate of a pre-print study cited earlier in this thread, but worth emphasizing.

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Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19

https://osf.io/wx3zn/

[as_rocketman]

This thread is absolutely about vaccines and the effort to prevent any treatments/therapies that might upend a billion dollar vaccine payday. That **** started with those bogus 'studies' that claimed HCQ killed you.

Science is all about dividing observable fact from personal bias, opinion, and illusion.

Here's an observable fact: This thread is called "Clinical trials on Ivermectin now rolling in." Here's another: Ivermectin is not a vaccine.

You are literally arguing with and even cursing at me when I reminded you that this thread wasn't about vaccines, in a feeble attempt to keep you on topic.

Look, I'm not new to conspiracy theories or conspiracy thinkers. Even before the modern age of hyperpolarization, many of them were just looking for a fight. Fighting is a way of distracting onesself from cognitive dissonance, and that in turn allows one to believe what one wants to believe, resistant to external correction.

It's pretty normal, actually. But I don't have any interest in enabling it.

I smell bull****. No way someone with your intelligence can miss how corrupt most South American countries are.

Case in point. I can honestly say this is the only time in my many years on this planet that someone has gotten offended at me for not wanting to speculate about hidden motivations of South American politicians.

Look, go have your fun. Take all the ivermectin you want. Get vaccinated, or don't. Mask up and hide down in a basement or party naked, worship crystals or pursue light therapy or burn sacrifices to Crom, it's none of my business. You seem so horribly threatened by me, and there's just no reason for it.

My only intent here is to help some of you understand the science. It's complicated. News outlets don't understand it, and many science communicators bungle it up when they try to summarize it. Heck, half of what I understand is only because I wanted a better answer to questions raised here. It helps me, too. Challenges make us work harder.

But if you don't want to understand, fine. You'll have lots of company.