Pfizer CEO said third dose is needed and yearly vaccinated needed like flu shot

[LBDamned]

Covid junkies.

[OleCuss]

Pfizer CEO said third dose is needed and yearly vaccinated needed like flu shot

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html

This shouldn't even be news.

I've been telling people this for at least 6 months and probably closer to 9 months.

Look, let's call the situation what it is.

The Wu-Flu is effectively a biological warfare agent. It was developed in a lab and the most likely reason was either for use as a biological weapon or to develop vaccines against similar biological weapons.

I don't believe the initial release was intentional. But when they had identified the problem they prevented spread within China but happily allowed spread to the rest of the world. So effectively they spread a biological warfare agent to the rest of the world.

Since we are feeding data on the effectiveness of the weapon, the method in which it is spread, the mutation rates and types - and it is all reported to the WHO (which is substantially controlled by China)? It is a wonderful test of a coronavirus biological warfare agent. From the Chinese government's twisted perspective this is/was a massively successful test!

The key, however, is to remember that this is a virus which is/was engineered to be nasty and we don't yet have great information about how immunity is going to work.

If you get the Wu-Flu or the vaccination you do get some useful immunity.

But we also know that the circulating antibodies decrease over time and that means that over time you lose some of your immunity.

We do not know at this time just how good or how durable the T-cell immunity is - and I think it could be years before we really understand that aspect of the immune response.

So I've been predicting that since we know that there is a significant decrease in circulating antibodies (possibly including the neutralizing antibodies) and a great dearth of knowledge about the degree and durability of T-cell immunity? Routine and repeated immunization would be recommended. I've been betting all along that yearly would be the recommendation.

I'd expect the recommendation for a yearly booster to persist for at least 2-3 years. After that it might go to a recommendation for doing it every 5 years and eventually to 10 years.

While this virus is novel, this kind of approach to immunization isn't really all that novel and should have been expected - especially since it is effectively a biological warfare agent.

The outrage and anger against China is bizarrely muted. The world should be incredibly angry at that government.

We also should also be trying to deprive them of data regarding the effectiveness of the virus and of the vaccine - as well as how we develop the vaccines. For China this virus release has been wildly successful.

The outrage at Fauci and company for sending money to help China do this should have resulted in the firing of Fauci and most who are/were associated with him. The level of idiocy is beyond belief - especially after the Obama administration tried to prevent our funding of this stuff. Yeah, I'm giving limited props to Obama on this one.

[B.J.F.]

Wonder who is going to get kickbacks for pushing this narrative

[stix213]

This shouldn't even be news.

I've been telling people this for at least 6 months and probably closer to 9 months.

Look, let's call the situation what it is.

The Wu-Flu is effectively a biological warfare agent. It was developed in a lab and the most likely reason was either for use as a biological weapon or to develop vaccines against similar biological weapons.

I don't believe the initial release was intentional. But when they had identified the problem they prevented spread within China but happily allowed spread to the rest of the world. So effectively they spread a biological warfare agent to the rest of the world.

Since we are feeding data on the effectiveness of the weapon, the method in which it is spread, the mutation rates and types - and it is all reported to the WHO (which is substantially controlled by China)? It is a wonderful test of a coronavirus biological warfare agent. From the Chinese government's twisted perspective this is/was a massively successful test!

The key, however, is to remember that this is a virus which is/was engineered to be nasty and we don't yet have great information about how immunity is going to work.

If you get the Wu-Flu or the vaccination you do get some useful immunity.

But we also know that the circulating antibodies decrease over time and that means that over time you lose some of your immunity.

We do not know at this time just how good or how durable the T-cell immunity is - and I think it could be years before we really understand that aspect of the immune response.

So I've been predicting that since we know that there is a significant decrease in circulating antibodies (possibly including the neutralizing antibodies) and a great dearth of knowledge about the degree and durability of T-cell immunity? Routine and repeated immunization would be recommended. I've been betting all along that yearly would be the recommendation.

I'd expect the recommendation for a yearly booster to persist for at least 2-3 years. After that it might go to a recommendation for doing it every 5 years and eventually to 10 years.

While this virus is novel, this kind of approach to immunization isn't really all that novel and should have been expected - especially since it is effectively a biological warfare agent.

The outrage and anger against China is bizarrely muted. The world should be incredibly angry at that government.

We also should also be trying to deprive them of data regarding the effectiveness of the virus and of the vaccine - as well as how we develop the vaccines. For China this virus release has been wildly successful.

The outrage at Fauci and company for sending money to help China do this should have resulted in the firing of Fauci and most who are/were associated with him. The level of idiocy is beyond belief - especially after the Obama administration tried to prevent our funding of this stuff. Yeah, I'm giving limited props to Obama on this one.

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Though I've been considering a 3rd possibility for the purpose the virus was intended for. I find it awfully convenient that one of the biggest problems China faces is a demographic problem, having too many old people as a direct result of their 1 child policy.

By some coincidence the virus is dangerous to that specific democratic, leaving everyone else virtually untouched, especially the young. Quite a coincidence.

[RCBS]

So it's just an injected medication then?

Polio vaccine is an actual vaccine.

[OleCuss]

So it's just an injected medication then?

Polio vaccine is an actual vaccine.

It's a vaccine. There is absolutely no vaccine on Earth which is 100% effective and that's why they work on trying to get good herd immunity.

Polio vaccine is not 100% effective either. It's just that we've got pretty good herd immunity on that one so most of us don't know anyone with a new case of polio.

I don't know where the idea came from that a vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infections. That is not what determines whether something is a vaccine.

I know, I know. Some think that a vaccine is a one-shot deal. But since you cited Polio I'd note that you actually get a series of Polio vaccinations, not just one.

[OleCuss]

I should probably make another observation about the Covid-19 thing.

If one thinks that the Chinese are finished with the coronavirus as a biological warfare agent? Well, that's sweet and I hope you are right, but my hopes aren't very high.

Viruses do tend to mutate/evolve over time. The general progression is to become less deadly (a lower percentage of those infected die) and to become more readily spread.

Mutations which tend to result in the immediate death of those infected result in limited spread and the virus dying out because they don't infect anyone else. (The thought experiment would be that the victim is inoculated by one virus and dies in a nanosecond and therefore cannot infect another.)

So if we see coronavirus variants which are more deadly arise and actually establish? You should bet that someone (not necessarily China) is tinkering with Covid-19 and releasing it as part of ongoing bioweapon research.

The Chinese government has a huge advantage in this regard because they know the virus well and you can bet they know exactly how the first infections occurred. They'd try to mimic the initial release from the Wuhan lab but have the initial release of the new variant(s) happen in a non-Chinese location (or locations).

I do NOT know that this is going on. But if you see more deadly variants arise you should consider the possibility that there is an ongoing bioweapons project taking advantage of the Covid-19 pandemic to further their research.

[handjam]

Pfizer CEO said third dose is needed and yearly vaccinated needed like flu shot

So if we see coronavirus variants which are more deadly arise and actually establish? You should bet that someone (not necessarily China) is tinkering with Covid-19 and releasing it as part of ongoing bioweapon research.

Faulty reasoning. Much like the Darwin Awards, selective pressure to make a virus less deadly only occurs before it is transmitted. A virus that evolves to a state with longer and more efficient asymptomatic transmission during incubation phase can also evolve to become much more fatal in the long term as long as transmission and fatality are independent events.

[OleCuss]

Faulty reasoning. Much like the Darwin Awards, selective pressure to make a virus less deadly only occurs before it is transmitted. A virus that evolves to a state with longer and more efficient asymptomatic transmission during incubation phase can still be much more fatal in the long term as long as transmission and fatality are independent events.

I'll grant you that, but that isn't the typical.

The previous coronavirus scare appeared to effectively mutate itself into something we didn't have to worry about.

[GunKraut]

Pfizer CEO said third dose is needed and yearly vaccinated needed like flu shot

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-vaccine-dose-likely-needed-within-12-months.html

Every 3,000 miles or every 6 months, sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[ysr_racer]

Well, CEOs rarely say everyone needs less of their product.

Ha ha, you funny guy Joe.

[not-fishing]

Just like the Flu.....................

Maybe because it is a Flu Virus?

[The Tiger]

CHA CHING!!!!

[DevilDawgJJ]

So? They are 100% safe and it's your responsibility to get it....as soon as it's your turn. Do it for grandma. Do it for sporting events. Do it for hugs and long walks on the beach.

Good one! My turn....LMAO!

[spectralhunter]

It's a vaccine. There is absolutely no vaccine on Earth which is 100% effective and that's why they work on trying to get good herd immunity.



Polio vaccine is not 100% effective either. It's just that we've got pretty good herd immunity on that one so most of us don't know anyone with a new case of polio.



I don't know where the idea came from that a vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infections. That is not what determines whether something is a vaccine.



I know, I know. Some think that a vaccine is a one-shot deal. But since you cited Polio I'd note that you actually get a series of Polio vaccinations, not just one.