Question: Supporting FFL's or trying to during pandemic?

[simonp]

So not sure where to really post this, hopefully this is the right section - if not Mods please move.

During normal times or at least what passes for normal in Cali (if anyone can remember that far back) there is always a push to support your local FFLs and LGS. Certainly reasonable if they are good folks.

With the passage of more and more laws, supporting them or using them has become less optional and more a requirement - case in point the sale of ammo between 2 private parties. We are required now by law to do this at an FFL - not going to debate the merits of this law here, it's the law and we all obey laws. That being said during the pandemic the majority of FFL's have opted to take the position that they will not do either PPT's or ammo transfers for whatever reason they may have. This may be unique to the S.F. Bay Area or may be all of CA I do not know, I am in the bay area so that is what I do know.

I question is this legal? Is this right? Is there any recourse? I admit one local FFL was so rude about it that I called and reported them to the CA DOJ but that is not really a sustainable approach since we do need FFL's in business but if they arent willing to conduct business unless it puts big $$ in their pockets what are citizens to do? I know that PPT's / ammo transfers dont make them money on the other hand just about every FFL I have walked into at this point is out of stock on firearms and ammo, hell the store I visited in Vacaville over the weekend - that is how far I had to drive to conduct a PPT, had nothing apart from 1-3 shotguns and bumper stickers for sale!

[shovelon]

So not sure where to really post this, hopefully this is the right section - if not Mods please move.

During normal times or at least what passes for normal in Cali (if anyone can remember that far back) there is always a push to support your local FFLs and LGS. Certainly reasonable if they are good folks.

With the passage of more and more laws, supporting them or using them has become less optional and more a requirement - case in point the sale of ammo between 2 private parties. We are required now by law to do this at an FFL - not going to debate the merits of this law here, it's the law and we all obey laws. That being said during the pandemic the majority of FFL's have opted to take the position that they will not do either PPT's or ammo transfers for whatever reason they may have. This may be unique to the S.F. Bay Area or may be all of CA I do not know, I am in the bay area so that is what I do know.

I question is this legal? Is this right? Is there any recourse? I admit one local FFL was so rude about it that I called and reported them to the CA DOJ but that is not really a sustainable approach since we do need FFL's in business but if they arent willing to conduct business unless it puts big $$ in their pockets what are citizens to do? I know that PPT's / ammo transfers dont make them money on the other hand just about every FFL I have walked into at this point is out of stock on firearms and ammo, hell the store I visited in Vacaville over the weekend - that is how far I had to drive to conduct a PPT, had nothing apart from 1-3 shotguns and bumper stickers for sale!

I have 2 FFLs that I have used that ONLY do transfers. They are not dependent on new item sales, but focus on transfers. You need to find some for yourself.

[simonp]

I have 2 FFLs that I have used that ONLY do transfers. They are not dependent on new item sales, but focus on sales. You need to find some for yourself.

Thanks, not really helpful - things are different down south where you are, never heard of such an FFL here.

[Garand Hunter]

Its the law and WE ALL obey laws ???? Since when ? Our dumb arse gobnor has given us many reasons to follow his lead, follow a hypocrite or do what he does, anyhow he wants to do whatever he pleases is what I see in him. And go to a FFL to do paper work to sell ammo to a private party, uhh whatever happened to the proverbial " Shoot, shovel and SHUT UP " ? Just makin a simple convoluted remark here.

As for support, I tried to buy a Henry brass fame 22lr at the Antioch Sportsmens Warehouse around Christmas time, four in stock, and very much incompetent sales staff there ! Two tries and walked out.

Psalm 1

[Dan_Eastvale]

Table top FFLs willing and cheaper.
Plenty witth FFL search sites.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

2019 thread - LGS not doing ammo transfers

Same basic question. Same basic geographic region. Don't know if things have changed.

[bigbossman]

Thanks, not really helpful - things are different down south where you are, never heard of such an FFL here.

We used to have a few "kitchen table" FFL's in the SF Bay Area that did transfers for guns received out of state. One by one they were either forced out of business or harassed until they retired from the game. You might use the Gunbroker "Find an FFL" function to get a list of FFL's, and then start calling them. Let your fingers do the walking, as it were.

[simonp]

We used to have a few "kitchen table" FFL's in the SF Bay Area that did transfers for guns received out of state. One by one they were either forced out of business or harassed until they retired from the game.

Yeah that seems to be the case for most of the bay area........