School Employees Vaccine Optional

[Dan_Eastvale]

I work in our school district in Salt Lake Valley.
Received a district email this morning that the vaccine will be available to all employees mid Jan.
Not mandatory
No word on kids yet.

Any others been getting these notifications? In any profession.

[SAN compnerd]

Thanks for the info. The current EUA is only for those above 16.

[Scota4570]

My brief reading on the subject says states can mandate it. This is a good reason to get out of California.

[duenor]

It definitely should be mandatory for employees. Aren't your other vaccines mandatory? Why should this one be any different? As someone with T2 eligibility, I sure hope they make it mandatory. What's the point of all this sacrifice if we're going to have some immune and some not? Remember "herd immunity"? Ain't gonna make it there if you have only half the population protected.

In fact, I hope that the major insurance carriers including medicare require people to either take the vaccine or sign a waiver relieving insurance from having to pay for any covid19 hospitalization costs. Why should taxpayers and other insurance customers shoulder the burden for those who just want to mooch off of the protection of others?

[Dan_Eastvale]

I have never had a mandatory vaccine requirement working as a city, state, and federal employee in neither CA nor Utah.
Only mandatory was for Polio in 1961 when I was 10.

[duenor]

I have never had a mandatory vaccine requirement working as a city, state, and federal employee in neither CA nor Utah.
Only mandatory was for Polio in 1961 when I was 10.

Things must've been different when you were in CA. Education employees are all required to have shots, and must do TB clearance every 5(?) years. Children must have shots as well: https://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/hn/immunization.asp

I would say that if we want to knock out COVID19 like we did Polio, you're going to have to do it the same way - line 'em all up and hit 'em all at once, fast as we can. This is especially true if the protection doesn't last very long. Once you achieve a certain degree of herd immunity, even if it's fleeting, you can then implement control measures to contain any sporadic outbreaks that will inevitably happen.

[Dan_Eastvale]

I do remember getting a TB test..a couple of times..

[Dan_Eastvale]

Again, anyone else, who's not in healthcare, on this thread getting official notice of a vaccine requirement for employment?

[Den60]

It definitely should be mandatory for employees. Aren't your other vaccines mandatory? Why should this one be any different? As someone with T2 eligibility, I sure hope they make it mandatory. What's the point of all this sacrifice if we're going to have some immune and some not? Remember "herd immunity"? Ain't gonna make it there if you have only half the population protected.

In fact, I hope that the major insurance carriers including medicare require people to either take the vaccine or sign a waiver relieving insurance from having to pay for any covid19 hospitalization costs. Why should taxpayers and other insurance customers shoulder the burden for those who just want to mooch off of the protection of others?

Wow, you softened over the last week or so. Before you were wishing medical care should be refused to anyone who doesn't get vaccinated.

[duenor]

Wow, you softened over the last week or so. Before you were wishing medical care should be refused to anyone who doesn't get vaccinated.

I don't think I ever said that. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I don't recall. I did however say multiple times that people should be required to sign a waiver if they don't want to take the vaccine. The Libertarian in me says people's bodies, people's individual rights. The disgruntled taxpayer in me says that if you're going to refuse to contribute to achieving herd immunity, and instead depend on others to do it for you, you can darn well pay your own way if you do get sick.

[WWDHD?]

My brief reading on the subject says states can mandate it. This is a good reason to get out of California.

Even though these vaccines have EUA status?

[Scota4570]

Even though these vaccines have EUA status? Especially because they do.

"I don't think I ever said that." I remember it too. My brother said the same thing. I strongly disagree.

The idea that if a person refuses the vaccine, then their health insurance is void, is insane. It sets precedent. If we allowed that to happen then anything you do that is deemed bad for you could be an excuse to void your insurance. 90% of the reasons we get sick could be attributed to personal choices. 90% of your insurance coverage would be voided. No medical intervention and people die. Billing insured people $50K for covered services for capricious reasons would not stand. Understand that according to polls 40% say they will refuse, or are unlikely, to take the vaccine should cause pause for the mandatory crowd. Picking a fight with about half the population is a very bad idea.

100 year old cases regarding mandatory small pox vaccine are not good precedent. At the time they had only a fraction of the medical understanding that we have today. It does not apply.

If I was old or had comorbidity I would take it. I would also get a new epipen. I have serious allergy/immunes system issues. I believe it is an undiagnosed immune system disorder, as does my doctor.

Anyone remember gulf war syndrome? My recollection is that it was caused by over immunization. They predicted bio weapons would be used and loaded the troops with vaccines. Some of them were damaged.
Covid is a civilian problem. We have rights that the military does not. I will bet that a waiver against "bad outcomes" will need to be signed to get the vaccine. That should be a clue to anyone,

Each individual should be allowed to weight his chances of vaccine problems vs covid for himself.

[InFamous20]

I might receive an email in a few weeks....we will see

[sealocan]

I don't want to get into vaccine debates but I just saw something about how 75% to 85% of the population will have to get the vaccine for it to be actually effective.

[duenor]

I don't want to get into vaccine debates but I just saw something about how 75% to 85% of the population will have to get the vaccine for it to be actually effective.

Yep. And, likely, within a short time frame. No good if it's like 85% over 2 years if the vaccine protection only lasts 9 months.

We have this peculiar social contradiction where a population of people who loudly proclaim that they love the country and care deeply about our children and small businesses... are also the population that loudly refuse to wear masks, refuse to social distance, and now proclaim that they will refuse to take the vaccine.