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  • TrappedinCalifornia
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2018
    • 9093

    This Is Why Fauci Isn't President and Why He Doesn't Make The Decisions

    Fauci: The US is still in the first wave of COVID-19

    The U.S. is more like Europe as a whole than Europe as represented by viewing a series of independent countries. Sweden is slightly smaller than California with 1/4 of California's population. Spain is just barely larger than California with 6 - 7 million more people. Right on down the list. Yet, the U.S. cannot act like a single entity anymore than Europe can, even with the E.U. In some respects, the U.S. has even greater restrictions than does the E.U.

    In a sense, while each State has been allocated the power and authority to deal individually with a pandemic, they are still 'answerable' to a Federal Government, but more interdependent in the sense of mobility and less able to shut down State borders. Likewise, Americans have a Constitution which allows for more independence among the citizenry than many/most European countries and that Constitution, along with the various Constitutions of the States have restrictions on what Government, at all levels, can do, even in a pandemic. (This is particularly true if you want to compare it to China and their ability to, according to their media, 'control' the COVID virus.)

    It's been clear from the beginning that Fauci has been unable to wrap his mind around the idea that he's NOT in charge of everything and everyone, for a variety of reasons. This latest statement indicates that he's unable to comprehend the U.S. as a variety of regions which are, in some respects, radically different based on physical geography, population, economics, etc. In some respects, it's precisely why there is no, single authority over everything and everyone and why we have a representative form of democracy rather than a 'pure' or direct democracy.

    It's also why there is no one-size-fits-all, blanket policy that would have or will work. Not only can't the U.S. economy be completely shut down as a practical matter, I don't think it could be simultaneously shut down in that the U.S. States and their various districts wouldn't have it. It's something we saw, early on in the pandemic, here in California. The entirety of California refused to be shuttered simply because of the rise in cases in the Bay Area and Los Angeles. It's part of why even California gradually moved to a County by County approach, as screwy as that approach is.

    The same applies here. You can't use a 'baseline' for the country as a whole and say... "See. I told you so. Now, if we'd just shut it all down..." But, that's exactly what Fauci is doing. It's why many have called for a more 'targeted' approach; both in terms of protecting portions of the population and based on regional numbers. Yet, as quoted from the article: "Fauci also said it boils down to semantics."

    This is why you keep seeing him call for a national mask mandate, shutting 'everything' down, etc. He views the U.S. as a single entity rather than a grouping of unique regions. The problem is those unique attributes, in many ways, negate many of the 'advantages' of the approach he advocates, not to mention the ability to implement such an approach. While you may get certain population groups to adhere to universal mask mandates for a certain period of time, you will not get all of the population throughout the entire country to do so, even for a certain period of time.

    Kinda like we've seen with South Dakota. Or... Maybe... Depending on your perspective... Along the lines of...



    Proponents of shut it all down, have every manufacturer produce nothing but PPE, wear nothing but an N95 mask 24/7... pretty much see things as Fauci does; i.e., a perception which is inconsistent with why we are referred to as the United States and not, say... China. When you have absolute control, you have the ability to control things, more or less, absolutely. In the United States, we don't allow that, despite how we think of entities such as the IRS, the Supreme Court, the President, or the head of NIAID.

    What I think is telling is the last section of the article...

    At least she acknowledges that each region (at least if you view a "State" as a region) is unique and the overall numbers don't necessarily reflect that uniqueness. It's also critical to note that she's acknowledging, intentionally or not, that the blanket policies (and pronouncements) being pushed appear to be based on something other than actual science.
  • #2
    sd_shooter
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2008
    • 13649

    Thanks OP!

    Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
    <snip>
    Proponents of shut it all down, have every manufacturer produce nothing but PPE, wear nothing but an N95 mask 24/7... pretty much see things as Fauci does; i.e., a perception which is inconsistent with why we are referred to as the United States and not, say... China. When you have absolute control, you have the ability to control things, more or less, absolutely. In the United States, we don't allow that, despite how we think of entities such as the IRS, the Supreme Court, the President, or the head of NIAID.<snip>
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    • #3
      duenor
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Mar 2007
      • 4617


      how to find the size of your screen
      Take a look at that graph. That's US cases since March 02. Notice how we never went under 20,000 cases a day. Now compare that to the same cases graph, for Australia. Note the difference in shape.

      how to find the size of your screen
      or, for an example of what a country now hitting a second wave might look like, the United Kingdom:

      how to find the size of your screen
      There's likely the stark answer to all of your speculation right there.
      Last edited by duenor; 10-26-2020, 2:07 PM.
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      • #4
        sd_shooter
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Dec 2008
        • 13649

        Cases are 'spiking' here in the USA

        Deaths are falling.... where's the lag?

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        • #5
          el tardo
          Banned
          • Sep 2012
          • 1094

          Originally posted by duenor

          how to find the size of your screen
          Take a look at that graph. That's US cases since March 02. Notice how we never went under 20,000 cases a day. Now compare that to the same cases graph, for Australia. Note the difference in shape.

          how to find the size of your screen
          or, for an example of what a country now hitting a second wave might look like, the United Kingdom:

          how to find the size of your screen
          There's likely the stark answer to all of your speculation right there.

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          • #6
            el tardo
            Banned
            • Sep 2012
            • 1094

            Originally posted by duenor

            how to find the size of your screen
            Take a look at that graph. That's US cases since March 02. Notice how we never went under 20,000 cases a day. Now compare that to the same cases graph, for Australia. Note the difference in shape.

            how to find the size of your screen
            or, for an example of what a country now hitting a second wave might look like, the United Kingdom:

            how to find the size of your screen
            There's likely the stark answer to all of your speculation right there.

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            • #7
              sd_shooter
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Dec 2008
              • 13649

              Not to mention double & triple counting. They don't check your ID or take your SS number at many of the testing sites. You can be a fresh 'case' every time you visit.

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              • #8
                TrappedinCalifornia
                Calguns Addict
                • Jan 2018
                • 9093

                Originally posted by duenor
                ...There's likely the stark answer to all of your speculation right there.
                Ignoring the debate over statistics, this is what happens when you parse out a tiny piece of something, then entirely ignore the context.

                As a starter, Australia's population is roughly 25 million. The United States, as a whole, has a population of approximately 328 million. The distribution of the population is decidedly different...





                There's also the fact that Australia is more isolated than the U.S.

                Then there's... Comparing The American And Australian Political Systems... Short version... There are similarities, but some decided differences; meaning Australia can do things which the U.S. is precluded from. (One of the things that site doesn't note is the difference in healthcare systems; i.e., Australia has 'universal healthcare,' whereas, in the U.S., many individuals have to be concerned about the costs as individuals.)

                In a sense, it's not just apples to oranges. It's apples to broccoli. Or, as I noted in the OP...

                Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                It's been clear from the beginning that Fauci has been unable to wrap his mind around the idea that he's NOT in charge of everything and everyone, for a variety of reasons. This latest statement indicates that he's unable to comprehend the U.S. as a variety of regions which are, in some respects, radically different based on physical geography, population, economics, etc.

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                • #9
                  duenor
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 4617

                  Originally posted by TrappedinCalifornia
                  Ignoring the debate over statistics, this is what happens when you parse out a tiny piece of something, then entirely ignore the context.
                  You are arguing the differences between AUS and USA. I don't dispute that they are different, but that isn't the point I was making. You post suggests disbelief regarding Fauci's assertion that the US is still in its first wave of COVID19. The graphs depict the difference between a nation (ours) which has been unable to suppress its first wave and thus remains in it, and one which did suppress the first wave (AUS). I could have chosen a number of other similar countries - UK, France, Italy, etc. Alternatively, I could have chosen a nation like Brazil, which like the US remains in its first wave.
                  Last edited by duenor; 10-26-2020, 3:27 PM.
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                  • #10
                    jackw007
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 641

                    Originally posted by duenor

                    how to find the size of your screen
                    Take a look at that graph. That's US cases since March 02. Notice how we never went under 20,000 cases a day. Now compare that to the same cases graph, for Australia. Note the difference in shape.

                    how to find the size of your screen
                    or, for an example of what a country now hitting a second wave might look like, the United Kingdom:

                    how to find the size of your screen
                    There's likely the stark answer to all of your speculation right there.

                    Actually, look at it from a different perspective. Think about the absolute panic that was going on in March, how everyone thought that you would drop over dead as soon as you had the virus, and when images of bodies in refrigerators - because funeral homes were not permitted to accept them - were being portrayed as resulting from overwhelming death rates beyond the capacity to deal with. When Cuomo shrieked that this is what everyone will look like in 2 or 3 weeks.

                    Fast forward to today where the rate of "cases" everywhere is now far beyond March. Across Europe the rates are two and three times that of March. And is the panic level the same? Not even close.

                    So everyone should think for themselves for a change, and realize a few things:
                    • Lockdowns did not "stop" the virus
                    • The vulnerable populations are well understood
                    • Any governmental epidemiologist like Fauci has a specific purpose in a pandemic - to study a disease and report the nature and risk of that disease - and epidemiologists are simply one source of input to decision makers
                    • Government officials should then gather information from numerous other sources, medical and otherwise, in order to chart a course of action and to disseminate information to the public about the risks of the disease, and recommendations as to how to protect themselves
                    • Government should then work with medical interests to create treatments for the disease, and to reallocate resources if necessary to meet localized outbreaks
                    • It is then up to the public to decide which risks are acceptable in the normal course of their lives


                    Instead, we panicked over hysteria created by a news media doing what the news media does, exacerbated by the fact that the worst outbreak was occurring in the absolute heart of the media industry. As things quickly became politicized by your local government and their enablers in that same media, we lost sight of the fact that the only thing that a bureaucracy can guarantee is incompetence, and that we need to treat the declarations of anyone in the bureaucracy as simply one solitary data point in our own decision making.

                    This includes Anthony Fauci. He's worth no more than one data point. And a "scientist" like Fauci should never be the "decision maker".

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                    • #11
                      elSquid
                      In Memoriam
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 11844

                      Germany was lauded for their contract tracing program and their approach to COVID. While the media condemned Sweden, they held up Germany as the example to follow.

                      Well, things are now spiralling out of control in Germany. The number of tests being run over the last two months have averaged about a million a week, and positivity rates are going exponential. There have been mask mandates in the various regions for a while.

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                      • #12
                        sd_shooter
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 13649

                        Only Sweden got it right with their laissez-faire approach to this flu-like virus that is a close cousin of the common cold

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                        • #13
                          duenor
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 4617

                          Originally posted by jackw007
                          Any governmental epidemiologist like Fauci has a specific purpose in a pandemic - to study a disease and report the nature and risk of that disease - and epidemiologists are simply one source of input to decision makers and to the people of the United States, for whom they serve
                          Sure, with an added clause.
                          It is then up to the public to decide which risks are acceptable in the normal course of their lives
                          While I am very much inclined toward liberatarianism, I think that this statement is overly simple. An absolute "everyone is free to do whatever they feel is best" runs into problems when you consider that people who get sick don't just throw up their hands and say, "well, I chose my bed, so now I lie in it." Instead, most want and expect help - whether from family, friends, government. In doing so, they take up resources and create further risk elements within the community. Where the line between individual freedom and societal responsibility lies is something for each nation's peoples and its leaders to decide for itself.
                          This includes Anthony Fauci. He's worth no more than one data point. And a "scientist" like Fauci should never be the "decision maker".
                          He isn't. He barely even has the ear of this federal administration.
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                          • #14
                            sd_shooter
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 13649

                            Originally posted by duenor
                            But he's out there blabbing to CNN/MSNBC on the daily

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                            • #15
                              lp3056
                              The Over Generalizer
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Jan 2013
                              • 740

                              Originally posted by sd_shooter
                              Not to mention double & triple counting. They don't check your ID or take your SS number at many of the testing sites. You can be a fresh 'case' every time you visit.
                              Not also the number of tests we are performing. If our testing remained constant I believe the numbers would have dropped below 20K. What has the infection rate been...that might be relevant.

                              Right now L.A. County is at 3.4. We used to be over 9%. Infection rate might be a better judge.

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