COVID-19 Virus Found at Reopened Businesses

[duenor]

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/covid-19-virus-found-at-reopened-businesses-including-shopping-malls-indoor-restaurants-stores/2448195/

This doesn't mean that there's viruses everywhere, ready to pounce and make you sick. I do not think that infection off of surfaces is easy, either (at least there does not seem to be evidence that this is the case). But there are two things of note:

1) The virus is pervasive even in communities that have a low case / positivity count. Notably, a lot of the workers in low case communities may not live there.

2) Interestingly bathroom door handles are mostly virus free. I suspect this is because everyone is trying to avoid touching them

Nevertheless it is still probably a good idea to either wear gloves when touching suspect surfaces, or practice diligent hand washing routines. Speaking of handwashing, it's interesting that the CDC doesn't do a better job educating people on how to wash properly. This is how I was taught to wash my hands, and it's significantly better than just rubbing and singing.

From a business standpoint, I find it really problematic that there does not seem to be a certification process for even basic mitigation diligence. While I am doing my best to protect my staff, partners, and myself, it would really help if I could obtain some kind of stamp of approval for having met basic measures (ie., distancing, PPE for employees, mask requirements, ventilation, spray guards, etc). This would seem to be important to protect against accusations of negligence should an outbreak occur. I suspect the county doesn't want to touch that cat, leaving it to the state, and the state doesn't want to touch that, leaving it to the CDC, and the CDC..

[sd_shooter]

The response will be: Lockdown forever (at least in Liberal cities/states)

The correct response:
- This is a flu-like virus related to the common cold
- Practice normal personal hygiene and continue life as it if it didn't exist
- Wash hands regularly
- Avoid picking eyes/nose
- Stay away from sick people
- Stay home if you're sick
- Protect the elderly & infirmed

[Deedle]

The response will be: Lockdown forever (at least in Liberal cities/states)

The correct response:
- This is a flu-like virus related to the common cold
- Practice normal personal hygiene and continue life as it if it didn't exist
- Wash hands regularly
- Avoid picking eyes/nose
- Stay away from sick people
- Stay home if you're sick
- Protect the elderly & infirmed

The correct response:

• Fence urban centers in
• Snake Plissken has retired, so just leave them in
• Done

[larkja]

From a business standpoint, I find it really problematic that there does not seem to be a certification process for even basic mitigation diligence. While I am doing my best to protect my staff, partners, and myself, it would really help if I could obtain some kind of stamp of approval for having met basic measures (ie., distancing, PPE for employees, mask requirements, ventilation, spray guards, etc). This would seem to be important to protect against accusations of negligence should an outbreak occur. I suspect the county doesn't want to touch that cat, leaving it to the state, and the state doesn't want to touch that, leaving it to the CDC, and the CDC..

I hear you. We also have a business and have done the following:

1. Installed an air scrubber in our HVAC system,
2. Installed carbon pre-filters,
3. Instead of toxic bleach or ammonia-based cleaners, we are using a probiotic cleaner. These don't kill the virus/bacteria instantly, but what it does is eliminate the biofilm which is where they live, feed, and reproduce. By eliminating the biofilm, you starve them out and kill them.
4. I purchased an ATP tester to ensure our surfaces are free of organic contaminants. When I first tested, our numbers were off the charts. After 6 weeks of using the probiotic cleaners, they are incredibly clean and almost free of all organic contaminants. I clean and test every day.
5. I fog every 2 to 3 days with a probiotic fogger.
6. In the event there is a major spill, I use a veterinary hydrogen peroxide disinfectant cleaner.
7. I keep a binder with test results in case the CDC or county decides to visit and inquire why I'm not using a toxic cleaner.

Here are some links in case you want to check things out:
Air Scrubber - https://www.airscrubberbyaerusca.com...sellsheet3.pdf
Probiotic Cleaner, Multi Task - https://zbioscience.com/probiotic-cl...-task-cleaner/
Fogger, EnviroMist - https://zbioscience.com/probiotic-cl...nmental-spray/
Hygenia ATP Tester - https://www.moldcareer.com/store/1/1...s-Luminometer/
Hydrogen Peroxide cleaner - https://rescuedisinfectants.com/

Hope this helps.

[therealnickb]

The response will be: Lockdown forever (at least in Liberal cities/states)

The correct response:
- This is a flu-like virus related to the common cold
- Practice normal personal hygiene and continue life as it if it didn't exist
- Wash hands regularly
- Avoid picking eyes/nose
- Stay away from sick people
- Stay home if you're sick
- Protect the elderly & infirmed

But if common sense were deployed, it would be difficult to pass the buck and blame others for your problems.

[el tardo]

I hear you. We also have a business and have done the following:

1. Installed an air scrubber in our HVAC system,
2. Installed carbon pre-filters,
3. Instead of toxic bleach or ammonia-based cleaners, we are using a probiotic cleaner. These don't kill the virus/bacteria instantly, but what it does is eliminate the biofilm which is where they live, feed, and reproduce. By eliminating the biofilm, you starve them out and kill them.
4. I purchased an ATP tester to ensure our surfaces are free of organic contaminants. When I first tested, our numbers were off the charts. After 6 weeks of using the probiotic cleaners, they are incredibly clean and almost free of all organic contaminants. I clean and test every day.
5. I fog every 2 to 3 days with a probiotic fogger.
6. In the event there is a major spill, I use a veterinary hydrogen peroxide disinfectant cleaner.
7. I keep a binder with test results in case the CDC or county decides to visit and inquire why I'm not using a toxic cleaner.

Here are some links in case you want to check things out:
Air Scrubber - https://www.airscrubberbyaerusca.com...sellsheet3.pdf
Probiotic Cleaner, Multi Task - https://zbioscience.com/probiotic-cl...-task-cleaner/
Fogger, EnviroMist - https://zbioscience.com/probiotic-cl...nmental-spray/
Hygenia ATP Tester - https://www.moldcareer.com/store/1/1...s-Luminometer/
Hydrogen Peroxide cleaner - https://rescuedisinfectants.com/

Hope this helps.

[harbormaster]

We, who watched the debate, got a clear view of America last night. On one side you have morbid fear, the world is ending, shut it all and save a life from the loss of Covid even though it will cost more lives in depression, alcoholism, and on. The other side is, "my God man" (that's me) lets open this thing up and get it on so we can get passed it and beat it.

[cleonard]

I'm sure these are RNA tests. The virus is a complicated machine and simple things like drying out can break that machine. The RNA is still there, but the virus can be broken and not able to infect anyone.

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[sd_shooter]

Exactly.

Are we testing for other viruses? The Flu? Why not? Why have we picked this virus to mask up and shut down?

Fact: It's rather flu-like in symptoms and impact upon society. (For all practical reasons it IS the Flu, most people don't care that it's actually a different virus.)

Thankfully doctors have realized that there are other remedies beyond sticking everyone on a ventilator. Did the Covid Cash run out? Or maybe the doctors just started following their Hippocratic Oath and treated people.

Those lucky people in Sweden have lived normal lives for the last 6 months while we still have people in bunny suits running around swabbing restaurant counters. Good grief, we're nation of complete pansies.

If WWIII happens, heaven help us. All the enemy needs to do is shout "COVID-2021" through a bullhorn and we'll lay down our arms and go hide in a basement. Disgraceful.

[duenor]

3. Instead of toxic bleach or ammonia-based cleaners, we are using a probiotic cleaner. These don't kill the virus/bacteria instantly, but what it does is eliminate the biofilm which is where they live, feed, and reproduce. By eliminating the biofilm, you starve them out and kill them.
4. I purchased an ATP tester to ensure our surfaces are free of organic contaminants. When I first tested, our numbers were off the charts. After 6 weeks of using the probiotic cleaners, they are incredibly clean and almost free of all organic contaminants. I clean and test every day.

Hey, thanks a bunch. That is an angle I haven't thought of before, and if not for your results I would've normally scoffed at the idea of non chlorine or ammonia based cleaners (currently our B&G guy uses something he calls "medic"... not sure what it is but it's what prisons, schools, etc use whenever there's bodily fluids that needs to be cleaned up - it's some kind green nuke spray that has doesn't need to be rinsed off).

We have the air filters in, but I have to talk to the building people to find out what MERV rating those filters have. There isn't too much one can do with HVAC unless one owns the building but at least you can make sure the system works properly. In my case, if the filters aren't adequate I might just replace them myself.

[larkja]

Hey, thanks a bunch. That is an angle I haven't thought of before, and if not for your results I would've normally scoffed at the idea of non chlorine or ammonia based cleaners (currently our B&G guy uses something he calls "medic"... not sure what it is but it's what prisons, schools, etc use whenever there's bodily fluids that needs to be cleaned up - it's some kind green nuke spray that has doesn't need to be rinsed off).

We have the air filters in, but I have to talk to the building people to find out what MERV rating those filters have. There isn't too much one can do with HVAC unless one owns the building but at least you can make sure the system works properly. In my case, if the filters aren't adequate I might just replace them myself.

Best of luck.

As for the other posts, you clearly don't understand what it's like to own a business in this climate. Not only are we getting it from the county/state side, but we are also getting it from the customer side.

Just doing our best to pay the bills. Don't agree with it, but that's not the point of OP's post.

[duenor]

Not only are we getting it from the county/state side, but we are also getting it from the customer side.

Yes. Thank you. Best of luck to you as well.

[SanDiego619]

Still don't care, not a bit.

[larkja]

Still don't care, not a bit.

About???

[SanDiego619]

About???

The virus. I am still not afraid, no matter how much BS is on CNN