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  • Scota4570
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2006
    • 1719

    Covid deaths plummet

    Apparently Antifa and BLM intimidated covid into surrendering.

    According to the CDC, the total flu and covid deaths are almost at the baseline level. The virus has all but quit in Italy. They have determined that it mutated into a less deadly strain. That is what normally happens with flu. It appears to be so here too.

    Pages 7 and 12 of 47 are of particular interest

  • #2
    SanDiego619
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2013
    • 11985

    LOL, the Freakers are going to be so upset!!!
    Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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    • #3
      as_rocketman
      CGSSA Leader
      • Jan 2011
      • 3057

      There is no evidence of the virus mutating into a less deadly strain. No such evidence has been provided from Italy, and no such conclusion is formed in the CDC brief you just linked. The OP is misinformation.
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      • #4
        SanDiego619
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2013
        • 11985

        Originally posted by as_rocketman
        There is no evidence of the virus mutating into a less deadly strain. No such evidence has been provided from Italy, and no such conclusion is formed in the CDC brief you just linked. The OP is misinformation.
        The jig is up, the virus isn't as bad as they said. Let's see if our test guineapig rioters caused a spike. I'll bet not.
        Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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        • #5
          as_rocketman
          CGSSA Leader
          • Jan 2011
          • 3057

          Originally posted by SanDiego619
          The jig is up, the virus isn't as bad as they said. Let's see if our test guineapig rioters caused a spike. I'll bet not.
          Whether it does or it doesn't, that says nothing about any speculative beneficial mutation suddenly becoming dominant.

          If that fact were true there would be very clear and unambiguous scientific evidence to support it. There is none. The claim is irresponsibly wrong.
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          • #6
            five.five-six
            CGN Contributor
            • May 2006
            • 34822

            Explore forecasts of COVID-19 cases, deaths, and hospital resource use.

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            • #7
              SanDiego619
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2013
              • 11985

              Deaths are plummeting.

              Can't dispute it.
              Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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              • #8
                as_rocketman
                CGSSA Leader
                • Jan 2011
                • 3057

                Originally posted by SanDiego619
                Deaths are plummeting.

                Can't dispute it.
                I'll assume for sake of this discussion that everyone is now comfortable accepting evidence from the CDC.

                The most informative, condensed chart in that brief is the one on Page 12, "% of Deaths due to Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19." This does show the signal dropping quite a bit, at least through May 23rd.

                So this is good news, but nothing here suggests it is due to a mutation. The best hypothesis is a mixture of (a) the most vulnerable already being accounted for and (b) sweeping societal changes having a marked impact on basic replication number. The same reasoning holds for Italy.

                But it's also worth noting that, at its height, the signal was four times higher than background, and five times greater of an excursion than the 2018 influenza episode -- despite a vastly smaller number of potential spreaders. Since you all like these charts, you must therefore agree the potential is serious.

                I hope we don't see an upward trend. Locally (LA county) and in several states we were already in one, though, and we very well might see it pick up even more. Keep watching. Science is patient.
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                • #9
                  SanDiego619
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2013
                  • 11985

                  Originally posted by as_rocketman
                  I'll assume for sake of this discussion that everyone is now comfortable accepting evidence from the CDC.

                  The most informative, condensed chart in that brief is the one on Page 12, "% of Deaths due to Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19." This does show the signal dropping quite a bit, at least through May 23rd.

                  So this is good news, but nothing here suggests it is due to a mutation. The best hypothesis is a mixture of (a) the most vulnerable already being accounted for and (b) sweeping societal changes having a marked impact on basic replication number. The same reasoning holds for Italy.

                  But it's also worth noting that, at its height, the signal was four times higher than background, and five times greater of an excursion than the 2018 influenza episode -- despite a vastly smaller number of potential spreaders. Since you all like these charts, you must therefore agree the potential is serious.

                  I hope we don't see an upward trend. Locally (LA county) and in several states we were already in one, though, and we very well might see it pick up even more. Keep watching. Science is patient.
                  Rocketman, you are very patient and courteous. Let's see what happens in 3-4 weeks from all the super predators, I mean super spreaders, running around together.
                  Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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                  • #10
                    DentonandSasquatchShow
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2018
                    • 1343

                    Been too hot. The Covid can't live with the heat.
                    I will stand for truth even if I stand alone.

                    The last time I had faith in the News was when it was with Huey Lewis.

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                    • #11
                      SanDiego619
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2013
                      • 11985

                      Originally posted by ShotgunPreacher
                      They were more than inflated to begin with... they were TOTAL BULL****!
                      100%

                      Now that it was confirmed that Floyd had covid when the cop kneeled on his neck until he died, his death will be attributed to covid.
                      Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.

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                      • #12
                        sd_shooter
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 13657

                        Originally posted by SanDiego619
                        Rocketman, you are very patient and courteous. Let's see what happens in 3-4 weeks from all the super predators, I mean super spreaders, running around together.
                        as_rocketman is indeed patient if nothing else.

                        Originally posted by DentonandSasquatchShow
                        Been too hot. The Covid can't live with the heat.
                        Don't need a PhD to figure that out. Beer, beaches and MAGA

                        Future super-spreaders




                        Originally posted by SanDiego619
                        100%

                        Now that it was confirmed that Floyd had covid when the cop kneeled on his neck until he died, his death will be attributed to covid.
                        Per CDC guidelines, yes.

                        Expecting Dr Fauci to clear up this mess today, rioters can go home now.

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                        • #13
                          five.five-six
                          CGN Contributor
                          • May 2006
                          • 34822

                          Originally posted by SanDiego619
                          Rocketman, you are very patient and courteous. Let's see what happens in 3-4 weeks from all the super predators, I mean super spreaders, running around together.

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                          • #14
                            newbutold
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2017
                            • 1952

                            May be some facts here.........or not. Whatever works for you
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                            • #15
                              toro1
                              Senior Member
                              • Jun 2013
                              • 1497

                              They are definitely dropping at the national level.

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