Covid vs 2018 Flu

[sd_shooter]

Reference: Somewhere in twitterland
(not peer reviewed, no double-blind testing...)

[Aces and 8s]

Kind of a silly chart.

1. It's missing 11 days worth of covid data.
2. It's not a chart of morality "rate", it's just a number of deaths chart.
3. This is comparing a years worth of influenza data to 5 months of covid (assuming first case was actually here in January and not late February.

While one can contrast the two, it's a bit too early to directly compare because we still yet do not know the true infection rate of covid, though by most accounts it is (at the low end) 10 to 15 times higher than what has been confirmed. (estimates from anti body testing). It's quite obvious we're probably going to be looking at actual death rate of between 0.3 to 0.5 which is still 3 to 5 times worse than influenza. A far cry from the doomsday prediction of 2.2 million deaths by years end.

Edit: Got this far before realizing this was another SdShooter thread. You've done it again dude. Another disingenuous post. Bravo. At this point I'm convinced you're not intentionally spreading misinformation, you're just willfully ignorant.

[sd_shooter]

Kind of a silly chart.

1. It's missing 11 days worth of covid data. (Hint: If you see someone wearing a mask _outside_, they are a moron)
2. It's not a chart of morality "rate", it's just a number of deaths chart.
3. This is comparing a years worth of influenza data to 5 months of covid (assuming first case was actually here in January and not late February.

While one can contrast the two, it's a bit too early to directly compare because we still yet do not know the true infection rate of covid, though by most accounts it is (at the low end) 10 to 15 times higher than what has been confirmed. (estimates from anti body testing). It's quite obvious we're probably going to be looking at actual death rate of between 0.3 to 0.5 which is still 3 to 5 times worse than influenza. A far cry from the doomsday prediction of 2.2 million deaths by years end.

Edit: Got this far before realizing this was another SdShooter thread. You've done it again dude. Another disingenuous post. Bravo. At this point I'm convinced you're not intentionally spreading misinformation, you're just willfully ignorant.

It's hard for me to fathom there are so many people who just LOVE this stuff:
- It's great to wear a mask and be part of the "pandemic"
- Believe our lords & masters
- Blindly believe 'science' and any 'scientist' or 'doctor'

Misinformation? Check w/ Faux Dr. Fauci

[Aces and 8s]

You're deflecting, come back around to the matter at hand.

The chart you originally posted is comparing a years worth of data against 5 months (at best) worth of data.

I also said "It's quite obvious we're probably going to be looking at actual death rate of between 0.3 to 0.5 which is still 3 to 5 times worse than influenza. A far cry from the doomsday prediction of 2.2 million deaths by years end."

Figured that would make it clear that I'm not on board with the doomsday predictions.

But I guess I have to make it more clear. I do not believe the doomsday scenario of 2.2 million deaths. Have not since the start.

I'm not blindly believing anyone, which includes the bull crap "it's just the flu" you've been posting. We got you on one end saying "it's not bad" and then the doomers on the other end saying "the sky is falling". I'm somwhere inbetween saying "it's bad, but not THAT bad"

[sd_shooter]

You're deflecting, come back around to the matter at hand.

The chart you originally posted is comparing a years worth of data against 5 months (at best) worth of data.

I also said "It's quite obvious we're probably going to be looking at actual death rate of between 0.3 to 0.5 which is still 3 to 5 times worse than influenza. A far cry from the doomsday prediction of 2.2 million deaths by years end."

Figured that would make it clear that I'm not on board with the doomsday predictions.

But I guess I have to make it more clear. I do not believe the doomsday scenario of 2.2 million deaths. Have not since the start.

I'm not blindly believing anyone, which includes the bull crap "it's just the flu" you've been posting. We got you on one end saying "it's not bad" and then the doomers on the other end saying "the sky is falling". I'm somwhere inbetween saying "it's bad, but not THAT bad"

Very good.

I've never said it's the flu BTW, I know it's different. But it is indeed flu-like in impact.

So sure we don't have a 1-year data set but there's certainly a 'hump' in the cases and deaths. I like to point out Sweden, where the mitigation was minimal and the virus charted a natural course. They had 3k deaths over the last few months - the final number is not going to be 4x that simply because we're not done counting. IMO they'll like cap out at 5-6k deaths. Worse than the flu? Yes, but not by much.

People forget how many die every single week in this country from all causes: 60k And yet we've shut down the country (the world, really) because of an event that is demonstrably flu-like in impact.

[Tommy Gun]

Numbers are numbers are numbers. We will never know the true possible death counts if we did nothing. Could have been 120k or 400k we will never know. BUT when Coumo came out stating 66% of NY cases came from the home it makes you wonder.

Age group most affected by this is the same as the flu. AND morbidly stating that death counts ebb and flo with each new illness when you get very minimal numbers from avian flu and SARS and swine flu or Mad Cow, etc to this one, deaths counts are meant to be broken sadly. Way of life, we are a fragile species. But I think we can agree all these authoritarian measures were not warranted and no matter what you feel about politics, it was entirely predictable from Trump not wanting 400k deaths on his hands to politicians not wanting it as well, so we killed our economy as well as the worlds, just like China wanted.

[newbutold]

Liars figure and figures don't lie.......Can we stand the truth?

[SanJoseMarkp]

the last estimate I heard was 2-3 time the flu so assuming average flu is ~50,000 we are at 100-150k for Covid over the whole year. current projections are what 137k? okay so we are still in the ballpark. Tragic yes but not to the point lockdowns beyond making sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed did any good. quite the contrary Some people are estimating an additional 75k suicides in the US from pressures caused not by the virus but by the lockdowns. and tens of thousands of additional deaths from undiagnosed/treated diseases from the fear.

total deaths of the pandemic will be closer to 300k (actual Covid and other effects)

[Scota4570]

the last estimate I heard was 2-3 time the flu so assuming average flu is ~50,000 we are at 100-150k for Covid over the whole year. current projections are what 137k? okay so we are still in the ballpark. Tragic yes but not to the point lockdowns beyond making sure the hospitals were not overwhelmed did any good. quite the contrary Some people are estimating an additional 75k suicides in the US from pressures caused not by the virus but by the lockdowns. and tens of thousands of additional deaths from undiagnosed/treated diseases from the fear.

total deaths of the pandemic will be closer to 300k (actual Covid and other effects)

All flu is now lumped in with covid. The numbers are impossible to decipher. Other side effects of the economy shutdown are more important. I have seen projections of one million worldwide deaths from starvation in the next few years. The destruction of supply chains and agricultural production will haunt us for years.

https://bluewaterhealthyliving.com/the-worldwide-lockdown-may-be-the-greatest-mistake-in-history/

[speedrrracer]

[SanJoseMarkp]

oh hell I better get to the big box store and stock up on Raid and hornet traps right away. at least I can buy toilet paper again now.

[sigfan91]

Liars figure and figures don't lie.......Can we stand the truth?

"You can't handle the truth!"