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  • #1
    sd_shooter
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2008
    • 13558

    Hospitals paid more for patients 'coded' as Covid

    What many of us already knew, money is the motive to fake the covid cases & deaths

    Yes, Hospitals Get Paid More For Coronavirus-Coded Patients, Even If They Haven’t Been Tested
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/yes-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-coronavirus-coded-patients-even-if-they-havent-been-tested
    Hospitals get paid more money if a patient is coded for the novel coronavirus, even if they haven’t been tested in some states, multiple fact-checking sites have confirmed, including USA Today, Politifact, and Snopes. Hospitals get a 20% add-on for COVID-19-coded patients and roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.In the beginning of April, physician and State Sen. Scott Jensen (R-MN) notified the public of the policy and later emphasized on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle” that “anytime health care intersects with dollars, it gets awkward.”“Right now Medicare has determined that if you have a COVID-19 admission to the hospital you’ll get paid $13,000,” Jensen said on the Fox program. “If that COVID-19 patient goes on a ventilator, you get $39,000; three times as much. Nobody can tell me, after 35 years in the world of medicine, that sometimes those kinds of things [have] impact on what we do.”“Some physicians really have a bent towards public health and they will put down influenza or whatever because that’s their preference,” he continued. “I try to stay very specific, very precise. If I know I’ve got pneumonia, that’s what’s going on the death certificate. I’m not going to add stuff just because it’s convenient.”On Facebook, the Republican reiterated, “How can anyone not believe that increasing the number of COVID-19 deaths may create an avenue for states to receive a larger portion of federal dollars. Already some states are complaining that they are not getting enough of the CARES Act dollars because they are having significantly more proportional COVID-19 deaths.”“Hospital administrators might well want to see COVID-19 attached to a discharge summary or a death certificate. Why? Because if it’s a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for – if they’re Medicare – typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000,” he added on April 19. “But if it’s COVID-19 pneumonia, then it’s $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000.”Speaking to USA Today, Marty Makary, a surgeon and professor of health policy and management at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, said via email on April 21, “What Scott Jensen said sounds right to me.”“We rate the claim that hospitals get paid more if patients are listed as COVID-19 and on ventilators as TRUE,” USA Today declared in a Friday fact-check.“Hospitals and doctors do get paid more for Medicare patients diagnosed with COVID-19 or if it’s considered presumed they have COVID-19 absent a laboratory-confirmed test, and three times more if the patients are placed on a ventilator to cover the cost of care and loss of business resulting from a shift in focus to treat COVID-19 cases,” the fact-checker explains.“This higher allocation of funds has been made possible under the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act through a Medicare 20% add-on to its regular payment for COVID-19 patients, as verified by USA TODAY through the American Hospital Association Special Bulletin on the topic,” the outlet added.Politifact conceded, “Medicare is paying a 20% add-on to its regular hospital payments for the treatment of COVID-19 victims. That’s a result of a federal stimulus law.”And, as noted by Snopes, the best estimates for pay-outs to hospitals for uninsured patients match Sen. Jensen’s $13,000 and $39,000 figures.“For less severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017, which was $13,297,” said healthcare nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation. “For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.”The Daily Wire, headed by bestselling author and popular podcast host Ben Shapiro, is a leading provider of conservative news, cutting through the mainstream media’s rhetoric to provide readers the most important, relevant, and engaging stories of the day. Get inside access to The Daily Wire by becoming a subscriber.  



    roughly three times as much if such patients are placed on a ventilator.
    This explains why some less invasive treatments are not part of the treatment protocols (eg. simply giving the patient oxygen, instead they wait till the patient is on death's door) [Reference: video from another thread, 'whistleblower']
    Last edited by sd_shooter; 04-27-2020, 12:27 PM.
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    • #2
      Senko
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
      • Jul 2009
      • 673
      It won't happen, but the Fed govt should stop funding this charade. No bonus for Bat flu diagnosis or treatment, no fed funds to states to shore up their bloated debt, no extra incentives to not work.

      If this crap isn't funded the state and local politicians will feel the heat real quick. Saw an update come through on the Patch here in the bay area saying we are extending the SIP through May and 90+% of the comments were against extending the order and that its all political at this point.

      Nancy's nephew might have just sunk his chance at the gold ring (POTUS).
      "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -Daniel Webster

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        • #3
          small hole shooter
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 1183
          What is it, 9k for C-19, 30k on a vent? Just for a few lines on the paper work? What could go wrong.

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            • #4
              sd_shooter
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Dec 2008
              • 13558
              Originally posted by small hole shooter
              What is it, 9k for C-19, 30k on a vent? Just for a few lines on the paper work? What could go wrong.

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                • #5
                  sealocan
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 9950
                  I could care less that the hospitals are ripping off our tax paid government Fiat money system (just like the majority of big corporate businesses do) I see the bigger issue as the politicians then look at those overinflate covid-19 coded death or even more overly infected numbers to eventually decide to never allow us serfs to go back to having a normal life.

                  It's a vicious loop. The hospitals are going to keep inflating the numbers (especially with all other types of normal hospital operations being reduced because no one wants to go to a hospital at this time) and the politicians are going to say look at the numbers we can't let you out of your house yet.

                  We're doomed.

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                    • #6
                      The War Wagon
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 10294
                      Originally posted by sd_shooter
                      What many of us already knew, money is the motive to fake the covid cases & deaths

                      Thank you - thank you. THANK you for noticing.
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                        • #7
                          viet4lifeOC
                          Veteran Member
                          • May 2010
                          • 4887
                          "No..s**t Sherlock" - Dr. Watson

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                            • #8
                              Sousuke
                              Veteran Member
                              • Mar 2012
                              • 3786
                              I had a parent on a ventilator a few years ago. It was about 30 to 40k if I remember correctly - mostly due to the cost of the drugs required to keep them on it. Also back then 2 patients each had a full time nurse ( 1 nurse per 2 patients ). Not sure if thats the case during this pandemic.
                              Everyone on Calguns keeps talking about TDS. I never knew we had so many fish keepers!

                              The TDS on my 10gallon tanks 110ppm
                              The TDS on my 29 gallon tank is 150ppm (due to substrate)

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                                • #9
                                  five.five-six
                                  CGN Contributor
                                  • May 2006
                                  • 34781
                                  Originally posted by Sousuke
                                  I had a parent on a ventilator a few years ago. It was about 30 to 40k if I remember correctly - mostly due to the cost of the drugs required to keep them on it. Also back then 2 patients each had a full time nurse ( 1 nurse per 2 patients ). Not sure if thats the case during this pandemic.

                                  that probably depends on how long they were on the vent


                                  Mind you, hospitals are ghost towns these days, people are opting to die at home from heart attack and stroke out of fear of catching the Rona at the hospital



                                  Tip of the day: hospitals make $0 if you die at home.

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                                      RBShooter
                                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                                      • Feb 2007
                                      • 482
                                      Doesn't each attending physician or hospitalist do a daily update on each patient? So if none of those updates reference COVID but suddenly it shows on the Death certificate it would seem easy to refute or contest or sue or whatever.

                                      Is the mark-up for COVID compared to, say, someone with the flu? Is there a mark-up for the flu and if so, how much is that, for use as a benchmark.

                                      How about other respiratory viruses? Also, are these mark-ups for patients that are on Medicare only, or all patients regardless if they're cash, blue shield, etc.?

                                      EDIT:Ok, I read it. Interesting article that answered a couple questions.
                                      Last edited by RBShooter; 04-27-2020, 5:27 PM.

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                                        • #11
                                          five.five-six
                                          CGN Contributor
                                          • May 2006
                                          • 34781
                                          Originally posted by RBShooter
                                          Doesn't each attending physician or hospitalist do a daily update on each patient? So if none of those updates reference COVID but suddenly it shows on the Death certificate it would seem easy to refute or contest or sue or whatever.

                                          Is the mark-up for COVID compared to, say, someone with the flu? Is there a mark-up for the flu and if so, how much is that, for use as a benchmark.

                                          How about other respiratory viruses? Also, are these mark-ups for patients that are on Medicare only, or all patients regardless if they're cash, blue shield, etc.?

                                          EDIT:Ok, I read it. Interesting article that answered a couple questions.

                                          COVID stimulus bill gives nothing for flu deaths, just dead guys insurance and family assets

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