People in Michigan are protesting the lockdown.

[ACfixer]

So yes healthy people do routinely get caught up in quarantines.

Routinely huh? Please... educate me as to when US have routinely been caught up by quarantines. Especially stateside.

Your leftist drivel gets old my man.

[capo]

Routinely huh? Please... educate me as to when US have routinely been caught up by quarantines. Especially stateside.

Your leftist drivel gets old my man.

How about in the nation's former capital circa 1793?

Yes, Philadelphians were prevented from entering many neighboring towns, some areas going so far as patrolling for refugees attempting to flee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1793_Philadelphia_yellow_fever_epidemic

Some neighboring towns refused to let refugees in from Philadelphia, for fear they were carrying the fever. Major port cities such as Baltimore and New York had quarantines against refugees and goods from Philadelphia although New York sent financial aid to the city.

Calling history leftist drivel is both stupid and serves no useful purpose. Leave that crap to off topic where it belongs. If you can't discuss the topic with respect you don't need to continue posting.



Edit: For most of human history there hasn't even been an understanding of what causes infectious diseases so quarantines always functioned by preventing people and goods from traveling from an area known to have the disease elsewhere. Even now we are very limited in how we can screen for many pathogens, that's why when a handful of people fall ill on a cruise ship we quarantine the entire ship, healthy passengers and all. I wouldn't think this would need to be explained over and over again... but here we are. When you don't know who may have an illness it is fairly standard practice to treat anyone even peripherally associated with an outbreak as a carrier until you can prove otherwise.

[DrjonesUSA]

Her reasoning is that "life sustaining" is for the woman having the abortion, not the unborn. Without going into the overall right to life debate, abortions are time-dependent, if a woman is going to have one I'd rather they have it done sooner than later (late-term or partial-birth).

And again not wanting to go into a debate, it's a statistical fact that it's only "medically necessary" for a woman to have an abortion to protect her life, something like 0.003% of the time.

Carry on....

[Sierra57]

There is no such thing as an 'outsider' here. It's a FREE COUNTRY. You start saying that and you're very close to being the 'show me your papers' commies/nazis. It is MY RIGHT to move about FREELY. Just as it is yours.

Yeah. I know. But that is their reasoning.

[ACfixer]

How about in the nation's former capital circa 1793?

You consider once every 227 years to be routine? Well I guess if we could establish also happened somewhere around 1566 then it would meet the loose definition of routine. A thousand pardons, yeah they do it all the time, like routine. Freaking George Washington, what a hardnose.

And thanks, but I'll post what I see fit same as you do. I pay my way around here and follow the rules. If you don't think so you can snitch me off to the mods if you want.

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People in Michigan are protesting the lockdown.

You consider once every 227 years to be routine? Well I guess if we could establish also happened somewhere around 1566 then it would meet the loose definition of routine. A thousand pardons, yeah they do it all the time, like routine. Freaking George Washington, what a hardnose.

You asked for an example, not every example. I started with the first major quarantine in us history. Do your own homework if you want to move goalposts. Better yet find a significant quarantine in US history that didn't involve restricting the movement of healthy people.

And thanks, but I'll post what I see fit same as you do. I pay my way around here and follow the rules. If you don't think so you can snitch me off to the mods if you want.

Abiding by the minimum basic rules and acting with respect are two different things. If you can't extend respect to someone having an honest discussion you don't deserve any in return, don't pretend you were acting with any class.

[ACfixer]

You asked for one example, not every example. Do your own homework if you want to move goalposts.

You're the one who said it was routine, to provide an obscure example from two centuries ago is moving the goalposts my man. First definition from Webster.

Routine :Of a commonplace or repetitious character : ordinary

I haven't seen it in the USA in my 58 years, so that pretty much rules it out as commonplace and ordinary I'd say.

Look, you think it's a good idea to lock down and destroy the economy to prolong the lives of several thousand sick and elderly and make Trump look bad in the process, I get it. I just don't agree with it.

It amazes me how all the libs here want it to be worse than it is, and all of us alt-right freedom nuts want it to be better than it is. Kind of says something all on it's own doesn't it? Almost like you want more people to die so we can be wrong, and I want less people to die so I can be right.

In the end it will be 50,000-100,000 people dead from this, that sucks. It's the same as a bad flu season however and not worth robbing people of their rights and livelihoods. You can disagree, the 1st amendment says so and I'll fight for your right to say it. Are you willing to fight for my right to freely assemble and worship as I choose?

[littlebear44]

You're the one who said it was routine, to provide an obscure example from two centuries ago is moving the goalposts my man. First definition from Webster.

Routine :Of a commonplace or repetitious character : ordinary

I haven't seen it in the USA in my 58 years, so that pretty much rules it out as commonplace and ordinary I'd say.

Look, you think it's a good idea to lock down and destroy the economy to prolong the lives of several thousand sick and elderly and make Trump look bad in the process, I get it. I just don't agree with it.

It amazes me how all the libs here want it to be worse than it is, and all of us alt-right freedom nuts want it to be better than it is. Kind of says something all on it's own doesn't it? Almost like you want more people to die so we can be wrong, and I want less people to die so I can be right.

In the end it will be 50,000-100,000 people dead from this, that sucks. It's the same as a bad flu season however and not worth robbing people of their rights and livelihoods. You can disagree, the 1st amendment says so and I'll fight for your right to say it. Are you willing to fight for my right to freely assemble and worship as I choose?

AMEN!

[capo]

People in Michigan are protesting the lockdown.

You're the one who said it was routine, to provide an obscure example from two centuries ago is moving the goalposts my man. First definition from Webster.

Routine :Of a commonplace or repetitious character : ordinary

I haven't seen it in the USA in my 58 years, so that pretty much rules it out as commonplace and ordinary I'd say.

Look, you think it's a good idea to lock down and destroy the economy to prolong the lives of several thousand sick and elderly and make Trump look bad in the process, I get it. I just don't agree with it.

It amazes me how all the libs here want it to be worse than it is, and all of us alt-right freedom nuts want it to be better than it is. Kind of says something all on it's own doesn't it? Almost like you want more people to die so we can be wrong, and I want less people to die so I can be right.

In the end it will be 50,000-100,000 people dead from this, that sucks. It's the same as a bad flu season however and not worth robbing people of their rights and livelihoods. You can disagree, the 1st amendment says so and I'll fight for your right to say it. Are you willing to fight for my right to freely assemble and worship as I choose?

You missed my edit. You also miss that you've grown up in ratified times, you just missed the era of regular measles and polio quarantines.

Like I said look up any significant quarantine event in US history and you'll find healthy, asymptomatic individuals who never got sick that had their rights restricted.

Beyond that you're completely misrepresenting my position on this outbreak. I don't want these restrictions but I understand why they're happening. I don't want this disease to run rampant or get any worse, despite what you may think. There's hysterics coming from both ends of the spectrum on this topic and I'm in the middle on it, I take a serious situation seriously without resorting to hyperbole or speculation.

I've tried to reign in both by returning topics to a more scientific basis to little avail. I tried to combat wild conspiracy theories as well as the ridiculous political machinations of people like smashy In the original thread, I see some here have both a short memory and the tendency to treat every issue as a binary choice regardless of the complexities present.

It's sad to see. The more things change the more they stay the same, even in a real national crisis American gun owners can no longer set aside perceived political divisions to agree on even basic facts. Calling people names is what it always ends up being.

[SW1917]

"It amazes me how all the libs here want it to be worse than it is, and all of us alt-right freedom nuts want it to be better than it is. Kind of says something all on it's own doesn't it? Almost like you want more people to die so we can be wrong, and I want less people to die so I can be right."

Don't know what you've been reading on this forum but that couldn't be more wrong - What you refer to as libs is anyone that disagrees with the premise of it's a nothing-burger. Those you refer too as "alt-right freedom nuts - I'll call them deniers - were quite comfortable with losing a million plus to keep things open as they are convinced the whole world is in a conspiracy to bring the economy down with the Prez. The deniers made it made it plain that any # of deaths would be acceptable as they felt the virus was just a plot of the (fill in whatever the scrape goat of the day was) to topple our way of life - note this was at the beginning before some of the most extreme restrictions that everyone found objectionable(sip in your home)etc The deniers would immediately go into name calling to avoid any discussion and led to the "NO politics" thread. but that hasn't slowed it down as the deniers continue to try and marginalize anyone who disagrees with their conspiracy.Every day they change the topic as they dig up outliers in the you tube arena or others pretending to be medical experts to somehow bolster their conspiracy. So I wouldn't be too self-righteous

Sorry but I'm not as articulate as some here