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  • #16
    SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2009
    • 4725

    Originally posted by comblock
    azithromycin is an antibiotic against bacteria. covid is a virus.
    Originally posted by HibikiR
    According to the paper, azithromycin was added to prevent super-infection by bacteria. I'm guessing they meant the opportunistic strains involved in community acquired pneumonia that would love to get us while we're weakened.
    Azithromyacin also seems to have some anti inflammatory properties that help with the lungs. Some of the pneumonia issues are believed to be a secondary bacterial infection.
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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    • #17
      SAN compnerd
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • May 2009
      • 4725

      Originally posted by harbormaster
      Playing devils advocate I read the OP and the copied material and there is a real question mark on this;

      1 - 80 patients fine
      2 - claims to be a cure
      3 - 1 patient died and one still critical
      4 - isn't the rate of death among infections about 1.5; doesn't that equate to 1 dead and one still highly at risk?

      In reading it - it sounds good that in 6 days "all" were cured until you read one died so they were not "all" cured.
      ---

      Paragraph two:
      The study, which was led by renowned Didier Raoult​ M.D/Ph.D, et. al in France, showed that 100% of patients that received a combination of the two anti-malaria drugs tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.

      Paragraph four.
      In 80 in-patients receiving a combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, the team found a clinical improvement in all but one 86 year-old patient who died, and one 74-year old patient still in intensive care unit.

      I'd counter that with the idea that this could reduce the load on hospitals significantly as the recovery time I have seen is measured in weeks, not days.
      "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

      Originally posted by SAN compnerd
      When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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      • #18
        PogoJack
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2014
        • 2163

        Originally posted by Fastattack
        Meanwhile, the governor of Nevada saw fit to play doctor and ban it's off-label use.
        That decision should be left to the medical professionals but the TDS is strong in this one. If I lived there, I'd be pissed.
        Governor of Michigan did this too. Both are D turds in the punchbowl.

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        "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

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        • #19
          harbormaster
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2017
          • 5898

          not opposed at all

          Just was pointing out a bit of hypocrisy in the post; I did not mean that to suggest I feel its wrong to try - hell they should be trying cocain and heroine to see if it works. Whatever it takes I'm all for it. I was just annoyed the guy says in one paragraph it cures 100% then two paragraphs later one died and another is on the ropes - come on man - you can't do that you lose your credibility.

          Originally posted by NorcalGSG
          Harbormaster the reason this medicine is so critical is partly due to the speed of which this damn virus spreads and overwhelms the local medical system. I implore you to watch some of the video and look up some of the first-hand experience of workers in Italy, Washington, etc to understand what a nightmare this creates for surge of patients.
          By reducing the severity and duration of symptoms, we allow the beds to be turned over much much more quickly which will help greatly reduced the capacity problems associated with this thing. It's NOT like the regular flu and the typical "death rate" comparison to flu don't apply because the regular flu doesn't cause such a terrible surge in sickness; the flu normally doesn't overwhelm the morgue system to the point of needing to pile bodies in an ice rink like they did in Italy because they can't keep up with the speed of deaths.
          1. Compared to what?
          2. At what cost?
          3. What hard evidence do you have?

          T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.

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          • #20
            OlderThanDirt
            FUBAR
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Jun 2009
            • 5809

            We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying, we know they know we know they are lying, but they are still lying. ~ Solzhenitsyn
            Thermidorian Reaction . . Prepare for it.

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            • #21
              mc1010
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2020
              • 1

              Originally posted by harbormaster
              Just was pointing out a bit of hypocrisy in the post; I did not mean that to suggest I feel its wrong to try - hell they should be trying cocain and heroine to see if it works. Whatever it takes I'm all for it. I was just annoyed the guy says in one paragraph it cures 100% then two paragraphs later one died and another is on the ropes - come on man - you can't do that you lose your credibility.
              These were 2 separate studies. The first one involved 36 patients, of which 20 chose to take the deugs and all of them (100%) had good results. The next study involved 80 patients all taking the drug and 1 or 2 of them did not respond positively to the medication.

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              • #22
                Bigdog68
                CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Feb 2016
                • 205

                Originally posted by HibikiR
                According to the paper, azithromycin was added to prevent super-infection by bacteria. I'm guessing they meant the opportunistic strains involved in community acquired pneumonia that would love to get us while we're weakened.
                Yes, you get a virus and then while you are weakened, you can get hit with a bacteria infection in the lung. That is what happened to me a few years ago.

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                • #23
                  cleonard
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 958

                  Originally posted by Bigdog68
                  Yes, you get a virus and then while you are weakened, you can get hit with a bacteria infection in the lung. That is what happened to me a few years ago.
                  The paper shows that the virus cleared quicker when Azithromycin was added. It is likely that some side effect of that medicine helps with clearing the virus.

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                  • #24
                    Sierra57
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 5159

                    Originally posted by PogoJack
                    Governor of Michigan did this too. Both are D turds in the punchbowl.

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                    Why in the hell would they do that?

                    Oh, that's right ..... because Trump said that Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin showed promise in treating Coronavirus. Nope, can't do anything that Trump suggested, because Orange Man Bad!

                    Both of those fake governors need to have their head turned into a canoe. It is the only sure cure for chronic TDS.
                    ... The liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
                    * Creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
                    * Satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
                    * Augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
                    * Rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

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