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  • SAN compnerd
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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    • May 2009
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    The United States has done far more ‘testing’ than any other nation



    An analysis published by The New York Times this week takes a close look at South Korea’s successful efforts to “flatten the curve” of COVID-19 infections without shutting down the nation’s economy and presents four key lessons from the country’s response. The study concludes by addressing the question of whether South Korea’s response is transferrable to other countries, including the U.S.The report, written by Max Fisher and Choe Sang-Hun, begins by highlighting just how successful in comparison to other countries South Korea’s response to coronavirus has been.“At the peak, medical workers identified 909 new cases in a single day, Feb. 29, and the country of 50 million people appeared on the verge of being overwhelmed,” the journalists write. “But less than a week later, the number of new cases halved. Within four days, it halved again — and again the next day. On Sunday, South Korea reported only 64 new cases, the fewest in nearly a month, even as infections in other countries continue to soar by the thousands daily, devastating health care systems and economies. Italy records several hundred deaths daily; South Korea has not had more than eight in a day.”So how has South Korea pulled it off so far? It was not through draconian or economy-crushing measures implemented by the likes of China and now an increasing number of countries across the globe, including the U.S.The answer is four key measures: 1) rapid intervention before the pandemic is a full crisis; 2) implement widespread testing; 3) contact tracing and isolation; and 4) get the public to help.The Times piece breaks down how South Korea implemented each of these measures, the first: “Intervene Fast, Before It’s a Crisis” (formatting adjusted):Just one week after the country’s first case was diagnosed in late January, government officials met with representatives from several medical companies. They urged the companies to begin immediately developing coronavirus test kits for mass production, promising emergency approval. Within two weeks, though South Korea’s confirmed cases remained in the double digits, thousands of test kits were shipping daily.Officials also imposed strategically targeted emergency measures on a particularly hard-hit city, Daegu.Early, frequent, safe and centralized testing is another key response measure:South Korea has tested far more people for the coronavirus than any other country, enabling it to isolate and treat many people soon after they are infected. The country has conducted over 300,000 tests, for a per-capita rate more than 40 times that of the United States.“Testing is central because that leads to early detection, it minimizes further spread and it quickly treats those found with the virus,” Kang Kyung-wha, South Korea’s foreign minister, told the BBC, calling the tests “the key behind our very low fatality rate as well.”The Times notes that South Korea opened up some 600 testing centers to minimize the burden on hospitals and clinics. Thermal image cameras were also widely used to help detect symptoms, with restaurants and other establishments often scanning customers.A third step was tracing the contact of those who were infected and then isolating and surveilling those who were in contact with the infected persons. South Korea’s approach to this was heavily informed by the MERS outbreak, which taught the country to aggressively track contacts by “retrac[ing] patients’ movements using security camera footage, credit card records, even GPS data from their cars and cellphones.”When the outbreak expanded too much to do this effectively, the Times explains, government officials turned to increased mass messaging via emergency alerts to residents when new cases were discovered in their districts. The government ordered self-quarantines for those who believed they might have had contact with infected individuals and fines for failure to do so were imposed.Finally, South Korea also effectively enlisted the public’s help, the Times explains:Leaders concluded that subduing the outbreak required keeping citizens fully informed and asking for their cooperation, said Mr. Kim, the vice health minister. Television broadcasts, subway station announcements and smartphone alerts provide endless reminders to wear face masks, pointers on social distancing and the day’s transmission data.The big question is how much of South Korea’s response is transferrable to other countries. For the U.S. some of the early detection and widespread testing is coming potentially too late to be as effective as South Korea’s response, a sentiment expressed by former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb in a ten-part Twitter thread on March 12 (below).In an update on the testing situation on Wednesday, President Trump announced significant progress on that front. “Just reported that the United States has done far more ‘testing’ than any other nation, by far!” Trump tweeted. “In fact, over an eight day span, the United States now does more testing than what South Korea (which has been a very successful tester) does over an eight week span. Great job!”Just reported that the United States has done far more “testing” than any other nation, by far! In fact, over an eight day span, the United States now does more testing than what South Korea (which has been a very successful tester) does over an eight week span. Great job!— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 25, 2020Below is Gottlieb’s outline of how America should aggressively address the pandemic (formatting adjusted):In U.S. we face two alternative but hard outlooks with [COVID-19]: that we follow a path similar to South Korea or one closer to Italy. We probably lost chance to have an outcome like South Korea. We must do everything to avert the tragic suffering being borne by Italy.It starts with aggressive screening to get people diagnosed. While testing capacity expands its not evenly distributed to places most needed, we’re far behind current caseloads. To many people still can’t get screened. So we can’t identify clusters and isolate disease.In some respects our fate rests on the entities that are capable of sharply ramping testing and distributing the services nationally. Academic labs can serve their institutions. Only big national clinical labs like LabCorp and Quest can fill the void. A lot rides on them now. These are great American companies led by outstanding management teams, staffed with deeply committed, public health mind people who live in communities hurt by this virus. The national interest turns on their efforts. We must scale their ability to sharply expand screening.That means getting diagnostic kits approved that the companies can run on their automated platforms to dramatically scale testing. Only these big national chains have throughput, scale, and ordering systems to fill the void that was created. We look to them now. We need them.Public health labs have been an outstanding pillar. They’re working around the clock. They’re the nation’s backbone of response. But they aren’t richly funded and are being maxed out against current facilities. Only clinical labs have ability to sharply scale the efforts.Business is leading the way on mitigation and social distancing, filling a void left by policy makers. But shutting down NBA games is not enough. This must be practiced in places large and small. Small gatherings, parties, all should be postponed for the next month or two.We need to create surge capacity in hospitals. Congress must support the effort. Patients and providers can too. Elective procedures should be postponed for next few months. Hospitals should lower volumes everywhere they can. We need to prepare for an influx of cases.Social separation works. Every day we delay hard decisions, every day leaders don’t demand collective action, the depth of epidemic will be larger. We must act now. We have narrow window to avert a worse outcome. The virus is firmly rooted in our cities. We’re losing time.We’ll get through this. It’ll end. We have two hard months ahead of us. We need to sacrifice some of the trappings of normal life to reduce the scope and severity of what’s ahead. We must protect the vulnerable. We must act collectively in common interest. We must work together.This article has been updated to include President Trump’s tweet on testing.
    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

    Originally posted by SAN compnerd
    When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.
  • #2
    Hoooper
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2012
    • 2711

    According to that article, the SK success was basically due to their surveillance state

    “retrac[ing] patients’ movements using security camera footage, credit card records, even GPS data from their cars and cellphones.”

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    • #3
      zhyla
      Banned
      • Aug 2009
      • 2017

      Uh. You guys are measuring the wrong thing. We are the 3rd most populous nation. Comparing our total number of tests to a much smaller country's tests is the same as saying America has more murders than El Salvador -- it's true, but you're measuring the wrong thing.

      In terms of tests per capita we are way behind.

      I have to ask, why grasp at straws like this?

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      • #4
        tradecraft
        Veteran Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 4611

        I'm pretty sure anyone with two functioning brain cells, regardless of party, can see the reality of our testing capacity situation.
        Link to my feedback: https://www.calguns.net/forum/market...ser-tradecraft

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        • #5
          JDoe
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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          • Jul 2008
          • 2420

          Originally posted by Hoooper
          According to that article, the SK success was basically due to their surveillance state
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          • #6
            lp3056
            The Over Generalizer
            CGN Contributor
            • Jan 2013
            • 740

            Originally posted by zhyla
            Uh. You guys are measuring the wrong thing. We are the 3rd most populous nation. Comparing our total number of tests to a much smaller country's tests is the same as saying America has more murders than El Salvador -- it's true, but you're measuring the wrong thing.

            In terms of tests per capita we are way behind.

            I have to ask, why grasp at straws like this?
            Shifting the goal posts. We have done more testing than anyone else. True statement.

            Per capita is not being discussed.

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            • #7
              Den60
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Jul 2016
              • 2695

              Originally posted by lp3056
              Shifting the goal posts. We have done more testing than anyone else. True statement.

              Per capita is not being discussed.
              And South Korea has tested a lot of people but their results show that they have shown a 2.5% rate of positive tests. Therefore, some 97.5% of their tests have been, pretty much, useless.


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              • #8
                M60A1Rise
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2017
                • 899

                Umm that's grasping for straws. We are far behind lesser countries just because of the simple fact we don't ACTUALLY have that many tests. Trust me , is all I can say. Folks are being lead astray on testing abilities.

                I know for a FACT there are 5-6 very large cities that barely have over 300 COMPLETE test kits. The key being COMPLETE test kits.
                "Common sense is self defense"

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                • #9
                  SWalt
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 8543

                  Originally posted by zhyla
                  Uh. You guys are measuring the wrong thing. We are the 3rd most populous nation. Comparing our total number of tests to a much smaller country's tests is the same as saying America has more murders than El Salvador -- it's true, but you're measuring the wrong thing.

                  In terms of tests per capita we are way behind.

                  I have to ask, why grasp at straws like this?
                  Funny.......then why are they saying the US is just like Italy?
                  ^^^The above is just an opinion.

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                  "...which from their verbosity, their endless tautologies, their involutions of case within case, and parenthesis within parenthesis, and their multiplied efforts at certainty by saids and aforesaids, by ors and by ands, to make them more plain, do really render them more perplexed and incomprehensible, not only to common readers, but to lawyers themselves. " - Thomas Jefferson

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                  • #10
                    lp3056
                    The Over Generalizer
                    CGN Contributor
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 740

                    Originally posted by M60A1Rise
                    Umm that's grasping for straws. We are far behind lesser countries just because of the simple fact we don't ACTUALLY have that many tests. Trust me , is all I can say. Folks are being lead astray on testing abilities.

                    I know for a FACT there are 5-6 very large cities that barely have over 300 COMPLETE test kits. The key being COMPLETE test kits.
                    Let's hope the tests approved last week get delivered on the 30th and we see a spike in tests. NY seems to be doing it. Los Angles doesn't.

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                    • #11
                      SW1917
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2016
                      • 791

                      Fresno county - population 995,000 has 200 test kits available

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                      • #12
                        JohnnyMtn
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2012
                        • 1475

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                        • #13
                          Senko
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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                          • Jul 2009
                          • 673

                          This was posted by another CGer https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA.../NR20-031.aspx

                          As of 2:00 CA had only done 26,400 tests. Of those, 12,000 were pending.

                          Elsewhere there are articles detailing the many faults and mistakes by the experts who have been responsible for this scenario for years if not decades. This is not on Trump, Obama or any other POTUS. These bureaucrats are there to do this and it couldn't have been much worse.

                          The only reason we are making up ground in testing is they opened it up to private labs. Get government out of the way.
                          "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -Daniel Webster

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                          • #14
                            SAN compnerd
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • May 2009
                            • 4725

                            Originally posted by M60A1Rise
                            Umm that's grasping for straws. We are far behind lesser countries just because of the simple fact we don't ACTUALLY have that many tests. Trust me , is all I can say. Folks are being lead astray on testing abilities.

                            I know for a FACT there are 5-6 very large cities that barely have over 300 COMPLETE test kits. The key being COMPLETE test kits.
                            According to this site, which tracks state level data, 462k tests have been performed, 367k negative.

                            Protocols for who gets tested are still very strict, so those numbers are not very high yet for a population of 350 million.

                            Keep in mind that last flu season only about 200k were tested, but it was estimated that 60 million got it.
                            "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

                            Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                            When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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                            • #15
                              SAN compnerd
                              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                              CGN Contributor
                              • May 2009
                              • 4725

                              Originally posted by Senko
                              This was posted by another CGer https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/OPA.../NR20-031.aspx

                              As of 2:00 CA had only done 26,400 tests. Of those, 12,000 were pending.

                              Elsewhere there are articles detailing the many faults and mistakes by the experts who have been responsible for this scenario for years if not decades. This is not on Trump, Obama or any other POTUS. These bureaucrats are there to do this and it couldn't have been much worse.

                              The only reason we are making up ground in testing is they opened it up to private labs. Get government out of the way.
                              Today's data:

                              As of 2 p.m. PDT on March 24, approximately 66,800 tests had been conducted in California. This includes the latest numbers California has received from commercial and private labs and the 22 state and county health labs that are currently testing. At least 18,276 results have been received and another 48,600 are pending.
                              "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious." - Thomas Jefferson, 1824

                              Originally posted by SAN compnerd
                              When the middle east descends into complete chaos in 2-3 years due in part to the actions of this administration I'll necro post about how clueless I was.

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