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  • harbormaster
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2017
    • 6263

    Hired Security?

    Are security guards considered essential? I mean my starbucks was open so why not my security guards; I got one that thinks he is not essential and wants to stay home which is fine it doesn't bug me; its not like I don't have others to take his shift. If the property (marina) didn't have security I could see it be a looting target big time.
    1. Compared to what?
    2. At what cost?
    3. What hard evidence do you have?

    T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.
  • #2
    DevilDawgJJ
    CGN Contributor
    • Aug 2010
    • 1718

    I thought there was a list of professions the state put out.
    If were leaving it up to the people. I'm not essential, and im working from home
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    • #3
      harbormaster
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2017
      • 6263

      There are 16 elements of infrastructure but I didn't see "security" of private property as being an infrastructure? I can't imagine leaving our marina unsecured.
      1. Compared to what?
      2. At what cost?
      3. What hard evidence do you have?

      T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.

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      • #4
        Helpful_Cub
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jul 2010
        • 1461

        Originally posted by harbormaster
        Are security guards considered essential? I mean my starbucks was open so why not my security guards; I got one that thinks he is not essential and wants to stay home which is fine it doesn't bug me; its not like I don't have others to take his shift. If the property (marina) didn't have security I could see it be a looting target big time.
        So when does security stop and what is the address of this marina? Most likely your still working, the order was really vague.
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        • #5
          P5Ret
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2010
          • 6378

          I'd think so. Even though my son is out of work since his security job is at a movie theater, and it's shut down. The company is still up and running at other sites.

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          • #6
            swilson
            Senior Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 732

            Originally posted by harbormaster
            There are 16 elements of infrastructure but I didn't see "security" of private property as being an infrastructure? I can't imagine leaving our marina unsecured.
            I'm not a lawyer, but it seems that the marina is part of the Maritime Transportation System section of the Transportation Systems Sector, and security is an essential part of its operation.

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            • #7
              enegue
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2006
              • 863

              Private security is essential in the LA City FAQ https://corona-virus.la/faq

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              • #8
                VictorFranko
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2010
                • 13737

                Originally posted by harbormaster
                There are 16 elements of infrastructure but I didn't see "security" of private property as being an infrastructure? I can't imagine leaving our marina unsecured.
                Do you have a link to the 16 elements of infrastructure?

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                • #9
                  SkyHawk
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 23523

                  One other thing to note and which should be explained to employees:

                  Even if your business is not directly listed on the 'essential' list - if your CLIENTS are on that list, that probably makes your business essential.

                  As an example, truck drivers and the warehouses who supply & deliver food to grocery stores; attorneys and their employees who provide services to governments, utilities etc; fruit pickers/packers; distribution companies who supply pharmacies. You could go on and on with examples.

                  Anyhow when the smoke clears from this whole thing, I expect a lot of this will be hashed out in court because one side or the other (employment/labor) is going to see it differently and there will be some firings, some lawsuits etc.
                  Last edited by SkyHawk; 03-20-2020, 9:22 AM.
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                  • #10
                    harbormaster
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2017
                    • 6263

                    link

                    Originally posted by VictorFranko
                    Do you have a link to the 16 elements of infrastructure?


                    Couple of people sent it too me; thanks.
                    1. Compared to what?
                    2. At what cost?
                    3. What hard evidence do you have?

                    T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.

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                    • #11
                      harbormaster
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Jun 2017
                      • 6263

                      So who can give an employee an authorization letter? Sure i can write a letter but what makes it valid?
                      1. Compared to what?
                      2. At what cost?
                      3. What hard evidence do you have?

                      T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.

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                      • #12
                        rplusplus
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2011
                        • 2248

                        Originally posted by harbormaster
                        So who can give an employee an authorization letter? Sure i can write a letter but what makes it valid?
                        We are larger so... Our sector Vice President signed ours. It has a 24/7 hotline and we are only supposed to go to work and our worksites. We have to have our employee badges on us. It is valid based upon the "Continuance of critical business operations".

                        Edit: Of course IANAL but if you look at the CISA webpage it is just guidance. If your business performs a critical role it should be considered.

                        Dog Grooming... Not Critical
                        Veterinarian... Critical
                        Dog Food... Critical

                        From what I understand you ensure that peoples property is safeguarded from fire, vandalism, Leaks, some security (you would call 9/11 to report a theft or break in)etc. You are performing a service that is critical. At least that would be my reasoning.
                        Last edited by rplusplus; 03-20-2020, 1:08 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Jeepergeo
                          Veteran Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 3506

                          Originally posted by DevilDawgJJ
                          I thought there was a list of professions the state put out.
                          If were leaving it up to the people. I'm not essential, and im working from home
                          Government employees are annointed as immune and important. 60 to 70% of government employees could be sent home with no pay and few would miss them.
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                          • #14
                            harbormaster
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Jun 2017
                            • 6263

                            Originally posted by rplusplus
                            We are larger so... Our sector Vice President signed ours. It has a 24/7 hotline and we are only supposed to go to work and our worksites. We have to have our employee badges on us. It is valid based upon the "Continuance of critical business operations".

                            Edit: Of course IANAL but if you look at the CISA webpage it is just guidance. If your business performs a critical role it should be considered.

                            Dog Grooming... Not Critical
                            Veterinarian... Critical
                            Dog Food... Critical

                            From what I understand you ensure that peoples property is safeguarded from fire, vandalism, Leaks, some security (you would call 9/11 to report a theft or break in)etc. You are performing a service that is critical. At least that would be my reasoning.
                            1. Compared to what?
                            2. At what cost?
                            3. What hard evidence do you have?

                            T.S. debunking the Left in 3 simple questions.

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