KSG Legal in CA?

[deenad]

Going to be going to AZ in our motorhome then come back and stay with friends in CA for about 3 days.
Is my KSG legal to have in CA? KelTek says they think it is but weren't certain.

[AreWeFree]

Yes, your KSG is legal in stock configuration.

CA transportation laws are much different than WA or AZ. You really need to read up on that, although I'm sure someone here will give you good advice.

Firearms must be unloaded in a locked case or storage compartment. Ammo can be in the same case/compartment. While at a campsite or RV park, your RV is considered your 'home' and the same laws would apply, meaning you can have your firearm loaded and accessible.

I don't know about hotel parking lots or other areas, and honestly I don't recall any other exceptions to the locked storage requirement.

[deenad]

OK, that's what I had been told but wasn't sure.

Normally I concealed carry a Kimber Ultra in .45 (7 rd mag) but I stop just short of the CA border and put it away in a gun safe right beside the drivers seat. The shotgun is always in the back and not accessible to the driver while moving. May have to rethink that.

Wish CA would recognize other carry permits! I have WA, OR and UT now.

[Oceanbob]

OK, that's what I had been told but wasn't sure.

Normally I concealed carry a Kimber Ultra in .45 (7 rd mag) but I stop just short of the CA border and put it away in a gun safe right beside the drivers seat. The shotgun is always in the back and not accessible to the driver while moving. May have to rethink that.

Wish CA would recognize other carry permits! I have WA, OR and UT now.

Yeah, California will never recognize other carry permits.

A point that may be important. That gun safe next to the drivers seat 'may' be considered a glove box or center console. Which is not approved for legal transport. Specifically.

What we do is transport in a portable locked case, like a briefcase with combo locks. The gun and ammo can ride in that briefcase, but no ammo inserted into the gun. The briefcase can ride anywhere in the vehicle.

Long guns should have a zippered case with a padlock for transport. Especially when going by a school (1000 feet) and being unloaded and locked up is legal.

Have a fun trip!

Bob.

[NIKSD]

I concur with the above. In fact, I have KSG, I purchased it in CA. Perfectly legal.

[deenad]

You know I hadn't thought about the safe being a glove box thing. Hmmm.. I may have to go buy a locking gun case to keep them in.
I'm specifically going around CA on the way to AZ due to the stupid gun laws and speed limit when towing too, but on the way back I can't avoid it and still get to Fresno!

Ok, so no loaded guns and locked up. Can the mags be loaded or do I need to strip them too?

Would the KSG be considered a "long gun" since it's a shotgun?

[NIKSD]

KSG= long gun
Mags may be loaded, guns MUST NOT be loaded. Loaded mags can be in the same compartment with the gun, but it is bad idea- a lot of LEO believe this is not legal /it will cost you $ to prove that you are right/.

Get a bag with lockable zippers and cheap small combo lock, unload all guns and lock them. Put ammo and magazines in another bag /no need to be locked/.

[Quiet]

Can the mags be loaded or do I need to strip them too?

Detachable magazines can be loaded.
Fixed magazines can not be loaded (contain any ammo).

So...
Kimber 1911 magazines can be loaded.
KSG can not have ammo in it's tubular magazines. But, can have ammo attached to it via side saddle or ammo bandoleer/sling.

[deenad]

Boy, that makes it pretty much illegal to protect yourself until parked for the night!

But I WON'T bring my AR nor KelTek Su16-C nor the 30 rd mags they both take! Maybe not the Draco pistol with it's 30 rd mags either. Probably should leave the SIG 556R home too since it takes the AK 30 rd mags also.

[Quiet]

But I WON'T bring my AR nor KelTek Su16-C nor the 30 rd mags they both take! Maybe not the Draco pistol with it's 30 rd mags either. Probably should leave the SIG 556R home too since it takes the AK 30 rd mags also.

In their factory stock form, all of those firearms are considered assault weapons under CA laws and would be felonies if brought to CA.
Unless, they are modified to be CA legal:
... AR can not be make/model banned and needs a maglock + 10 round magazine and needs an overall length of 30" or greater.
... Kel-Tec SU-16C needs a maglock + 10 round magazine and needs an overall length of 30" or greater.
... CAI/Romarm Draco needs a maglock + 10 round magazine.
... SIG SIG-556R needs a maglock + 10 round magazine and needs an overall length of 30" or greater.
*Overall length needs to be measured with the firearm in the shortest possible firing configuration (stock folded/collapsed)

[deenad]

In their factory stock form, all of those firearms are considered assault weapons under CA laws and would be felonies if brought to CA.
Unless, they are modified to be CA legal.

Yep, I had that figured out already! (which is why I said I wouldn't bring them) They'll stay home in the safe with the alarm set!

[AreWeFree]

Boy, that makes it pretty much illegal to protect yourself until parked for the night!

But I WON'T bring my AR nor KelTek Su16-C nor the 30 rd mags they both take! Maybe not the Draco pistol with it's 30 rd mags either. Probably should leave the SIG 556R home too since it takes the AK 30 rd mags also.

I'm very sorry to say, but that is a good idea. You can't bring ANY magazines greater than 10 rounds in to CA since you'd be 'importing high capacity magazines.' Your AR's and AK pistol would require bullet buttons so they wouldn't be classified as 'assault weapons.'

Also, you still need to consider, even when parked for the night, I believe location matters in allowing you to have an unlocked and loaded firearm. I may be wrong (I don't own an RV ) but it's the same thing as a regular vehicle here regarding firearms.

[NATEWA]

Yeah, California will never recognize other carry permits.

A point that may be important. That gun safe next to the drivers seat 'may' be considered a glove box or center console. Which is not approved for legal transport. Specifically.

What we do is transport in a portable locked case, like a briefcase with combo locks. The gun and ammo can ride in that briefcase, but no ammo inserted into the gun. The briefcase can ride anywhere in the vehicle.

Long guns should have a zippered case with a padlock for transport. Especially when going by a school (1000 feet) and being unloaded and locked up is legal.

Have a fun trip!

Bob.

Long guns need to be in a zippered case with a padlock? Is this the law or a recommendation? I thought long guns need to be in the trunk and unloaded to be legal.

[Quiet]

Long guns need to be in a zippered case with a padlock? Is this the law or a recommendation? I thought long guns need to be in the trunk and unloaded to be legal.

CA laws...
Unloaded long gun needs to be in a locked container or encased (unlocked container designed for a firearm). [PC 26405(c)]

Federal laws...
While transporting through a GFSZ, unloaded long gun needs to be in a locked container or in a locked gun rack. [18 USC 922 (q)(2)(B)(iii)]


Penal Code 26405
Section 26400 does not apply to, or affect, the carrying of an unloaded firearm that is not a handgun in any of the following circumstances:
(c) When the firearm is either in a locked container or encased and it is being transported directly between places where a person is not prohibited from possessing that firearm and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances.

Penal Code 16505
For purposes of Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 26400) of Division 5 of Title 4, a firearm is "encased" when that firearm is enclosed in a case that is expressly made for the purpose of containing a firearm and that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened with no part of that firearm exposed.

18 USC 922
(q)(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;

[NATEWA]

Didn't know about the federal law regarding GFSZ.

Thanks