help me decide. Mossberg 500 vs. steven 320?

[Just-in]

I don't like how the remington is needlessly more expensive. There is no forearm wiggle on them afaik but that is a non issue for 99% of people.

The only turn off for me is the magazine tube on the 500, and it is more difficult to reassemble than the 870. I own both for the record. Back to the OP, stick with the 500 you won't regret it. Plus its American made.

[CSACANNONEER]

Mossberg, go with the trusted name.

Why wouldn't you trust Stevens? I would think the +100 years of producing reliable firearms would be more than enough for anyone to trust their products. I've hunted with both Mossbergs and Stevens shotguns since the 70's and trust both to perform as well as my Remington, Beretta, Marlin, and Gamo shotguns.

That said, I'd go with a 500 combo kit.

[Steve_In_29]

You are getting pretty ridiculous now.

Bottom line, Stevens is a name only, has been for many years. It essentially means nothing and is trading on past glory. To imply that the name Stevens somehow means modern quality, whether it belongs to Savage or not, is specious at best.

Do you even read what other people post before you write? I already stated SEVERAL times that I had pointed towards SAVAGE as being the name to be trusted and yet you continue to harp on Steven's. Everybody knows Savage owns the Steven's name and thus Savages reputation is on the line for how well things are (or aren't) taken care of.

And yet you failed to mention it in your list...as stated, you left it off to bolster your point. A valid way to make a point I suppose, I was just pointing it out, sorry you don't like it....

Noted...So the next time I see you are in a thread I am replying to, I will make sure to type slowly and reiterate points already made by others, so that you don't get lost in the conversation and think I am trying to intentionally cover something up.

Of course it has a bearing. Replacement parts are built there, as are replacement guns. It takes time to get stuff from there to here, on top of warranty replacement/repair approval and actual replacement/repair time.

Once again you have missed the point I made. Which was that "China" (or any other country) in and of itself is no indicator of how well a company's warranty program will or won't work. As I showed with my lack of warranty satisfaction from Kimber, which is an American company utilizing parts made in America. And further backed up by grantar2's recent outstanding warranty experience on his made in Turkey ATI shotgun.

In regards to your latest reply, you seem to think that Savage keeps NO stock on hand of parts/guns and that EVERY item gets ordered one-at-a-time from China and shipped over on a slow boat. I will allow that as a new model warranty might take longer since the company hasn't yet developed a track record of what parts are prone to breakage and thus need to be stocked up on (and hopefully redesigned).

Yeah, a new BPS is usually more, but used ones can be had fairly cheap. For that matter a used Ithaca 37/87 can be had cheap. I was just pointing out that the Ithaca and Stevens aren't the only "ambidextrous" options.

And I agreed with you and even thanked you for reminding me that there were other options and yet you still feel the need to argue.

Yes, but since when has a point being moot ever stopped a conversation? Hell, if that was truly the criteria, you wouldn't have taken the time to reply.

By "moot" I meant as far as being useful to the OP in his decision making process and not in the context of you trying to feel good about yourself for supposedly catching me in some kind of deceitful practice.

[kilrain]

You are getting pretty ridiculous now.

Do you even read what other people post before you write? I already stated SEVERAL times that I had pointed towards SAVAGE as being the name to be trusted and yet you continue to harp on Steven's. Everybody knows Savage owns the Steven's name and thus Savages reputation is on the line for how well things are (or aren't) taken care of.

So if I participate in this conversation, one which you are also VOLUNTARILY participating in, I'm "ridiculous"? Got it............

Noted...So the next time I see you are in a thread I am replying to, I will make sure to type slowly and reiterate points already made by others, so that you don't get lost in the conversation and think I am trying to intentionally cover something up.

You can type as slowly as you like, it won't change what you say. As I said, it's not a big deal, I just pointed out how you were trying to bolster your statement/argument/belief. I'm not passing judgement on you personally, relax....

Once again you have missed the point I made. Which was that "China" (or any other country) in and of itself is no indicator of how well a company's warranty program will or won't work. As I showed with my lack of warranty satisfaction from Kimber, which is an American company utilizing parts made in America. And further backed up by grantar2's recent outstanding warranty experience on his made in Turkey ATI shotgun.

In regards to your latest reply, you seem to think that Savage keeps NO stock on hand of parts/guns and that EVERY item gets ordered one-at-a-time from China and shipped over on a slow boat. I will allow that as a new model warranty might take longer since the company hasn't yet developed a track record of what parts are prone to breakage and thus need to be stocked up on (and hopefully redesigned).

I don't think or believe that Savage keeps no stock or parts on hand, necessarily. But I have serious doubts that they keep many parts on hand for a gun made entirely overseas. Either way, odds are greater the delay for parts and/or repair is more than likely gonna be longer.

I get it, you don't agree. Fair enough.

And I agreed with you and even thanked you for reminding me that there were other options and yet you still feel the need to argue.

As previously stated about your comment that I was being "ridiculous", apparently when you participate in this conversation you are spreading knowledge and information but when I participate, I'm arguing. Interesting outlook you have there.

By "moot" I meant as far as being useful to the OP in his decision making process and not in the context of you trying to feel good about yourself for supposedly catching me in some kind of deceitful practice.

Well this obviously demonstrates your fantastic communication skills. You said something but it can't be taken at face value, you have to clarify what "moot" means in your particular opinion. As I said before, you can stop replying in this thread or even this particular conversation at any time, it's not hard to do.

[Steve_In_29]

So if I participate in this conversation, one which you are also VOLUNTARILY participating in, I'm "ridiculous"? Got it............

The "ridiculousness" comes from your insistence on ignoring what I actually said and instead inserting what you THINK I meant.

You can type as slowly as you like, it won't change what you say. As I said, it's not a big deal, I just pointed out how you were trying to bolster your statement/argument/belief. I'm not passing judgement on you personally, relax....

See above...and as I said I will now take the time to reiterate every applicable fact that others have posted just so that you don't get confused as to my meaning in my replies.

I don't think or believe that Savage keeps no stock or parts on hand, necessarily. But I have serious doubts that they keep many parts on hand for a gun made entirely overseas. Either way, odds are greater the delay for parts and/or repair is more than likely gonna be longer.

I get it, you don't agree. Fair enough.

Well since neither of us works in Savage's parts or warranty departments I guess we will never know. Though the SMART business model (based on my years of working in the repair field) would be to source a stock of parts so that the customer isn't getting PO'ed and possibly taking his next gun purchase elsewhere. Something that as I said could take a little while to do with a new model.

If on the other hand you want to believe that Savage is instead out to screw their customers by dragging out any warranty claims that is entirely your right.

As previously stated about your comment that I was being "ridiculous", apparently when you participate in this conversation you are spreading knowledge and information but when I participate, I'm arguing. Interesting outlook you have there.

The argument comment was in DIRECT response to the quoted text ONLY but once again you take things out of context (applying it to the entire conversation) and claim to have found errors.

So let me type it out slowly for you so that you can understand;
1: I posted a SPECIFIC comment,
2: You provided a correction to that SPECIFIC comment,
3: I acknowledged said correction to that SPECIFIC comment, admitted my mistake and even thanked you,
4: You continued to try to prove a point in that SPECIFIC comment which I had already agreed to...thus the "argument".

So it's not an "outlook" just stating a fact.

Well this obviously demonstrates your fantastic communication skills. You said something but it can't be taken at face value, you have to clarify what "moot" means in your particular opinion. As I said before, you can stop replying in this thread or even this particular conversation at any time, it's not hard to do.

Actually it demonstrates your lack of reading comprehension. I had to clarify my "moot" comment since you were concentrating so much on proving that you had caught me in some nefarious attempt to mislead (since I didn't bother to retype something another poster had already stated and which I never disagreed with) that you missed (as you have repeatedly) the point of the comment. As it made no sense in the overall context of the thread to take it in the way your reply showed you did.

[Triton8260]

Why are you guys still arguing...... If it makes y'all feel any better I plan on getting the mossberg 500, stevens, remington, etc. In the future.

[Wallabing]

Norinco 982 with a side saddle.

Already comes with ghost ring sight, super tactical shotgun for $250.

[Triton8260]

Can we buy those? Though norincos were banned.

[Wallabing]

Can we buy those? Though norincos were banned.

Look for IAC Hawk 982 at Big 5, Bass Pro! Goes around $250 range.

Standard issue shotgun for Chinese army.

[Wallabing]

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/91401

Buy and transfer through a local FFL.

[kilrain]

Why are you guys still arguing...... If it makes y'all feel any better I plan on getting the mossberg 500, stevens, remington, etc. In the future.

We aren't arguing according to Steve, I'm the only one arguing, he's just "right" and apparently needs affirmation to that effect...... And it's now devolved into nothing to do with your original post, it's just idle talk, and I apologize to you if it detracts from your thread.

Good on ya for the Maverick and it never hurts to have one more than one shotgun or try other designs.