shotgun capacities?

[getafterit]

New to the semi auto shotguns. I am in the market and am seeing 4+1 as beeing the usual capacity. Is this the legal limit in Cali? If so is it an assault weapon law that makes it so??

[hitman_13]

Max 10 rds tube

what u plan on doing with the shortgun? HD? Clay?

[getafterit]

Mostly home defense, unless TSHTF...lol. But I do like to get out and blast some enemy water melons from time to time. If Ten rounds is the max why are the Benellis (sp?) for example only 4+1?

[krby]

Mostly home defense, unless TSHTF...lol. But I do like to get out and blast some enemy water melons from time to time. If Ten rounds is the max why are the Benellis (sp?) for example only 4+1?

Who knows. Maybe the factory doesn't like the way the extended magazine tube looks. You can buy longer magazine tubes for the M2 and the M4, I believe.

[JeffM]

Mostly home defense, unless TSHTF...lol. But I do like to get out and blast some enemy water melons from time to time. If Ten rounds is the max why are the Benellis (sp?) for example only 4+1?

922r

[getafterit]

Correct me if I am wrong. I looked at an M4 Benelli and was told by the dealer that the tube only hold 4 rounds from the factory due to the short tube. It does however have an extension on it that makes the tube look as long as the barrel.
You can see this is where the acordian looking part of the tube sits.

[getafterit]

So what I can find on the 922(r) rule has to do with importation restrictions.
So if we could find a US made tube extension we would be good to go?

[JeffM]

So what I can find on the 922(r) rule has to do with importation restrictions.
So if we could find a US made tube extension we would be good to go?

You'll need more parts to get down to the limit, but there have only been small custom runs for the Bennelli shotguns.

[getafterit]

You'll need more parts to get down to the limit, but there have only been small custom runs for the Bennelli shotguns.

JeffM, can you clarify this for me? Are you saying that One would need to replace 10 parts or more to be legal? I dont follow...

[getafterit]

Got this info from Wikepedia. If I am understanding this it reads that any semi auto shotgun that accepts more than 5 rounds with any of the following (see below) will constitute an assault weapon. See last part pertaining to "shotgun"

[edit] Definition of assault weapon
Note: there are differing definitions of 'assault weapon' that are listed at Assault weapon. This page refers to the usage in the United States under the previous and proposed assault weapon bans.
The term "assault weapon" in the context of civilian rifles has been attributed to gun-control activist Josh Sugarmann. Assault weapon refers to semi-automatic firearms (that is, firearms that, when fired, automatically extract the spent casing and load the next round into the chamber, ready to fire again) that were developed from earlier fully-automatic weapons. By former U.S. law the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, H&K G36E, TEC-9, all AK-47s, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of features from the following list of features:


A semi-automatic AK-47 rifle.
An Intratec TEC-9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Conspicuous pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or silencer
Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine [/B]

[Quiet]

Are you saying that One would need to replace 10 parts or more to be legal? I dont follow...

922r requires the shotgun to have 10 or fewer foreign made parts if you increase the capacity over 5 rounds.

Under 922r, there are a total of 20 countable parts.

However, the shotgun you want to modify may not have all 20 parts.

I believe (not 100% sure) the Benelli M2 has 13 countable parts.
So, you would have to replace 3 of the foreign made parts with USA made parts in order to legally increase the capacity over 5 rounds.

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Bolts
(4) Bolt carriers
(5) Trigger housings
(6) Triggers
(7) Hammers
(8) Sears
(9) Disconnectors
(10) Buttstocks
(11) Pistol grips
(12) Forearms, handguards
(13) Followers

[getafterit]

922r requires the shotgun to have 10 or fewer foreign made parts if you increase the capacity over 5 rounds.

Under 922r, there are a total of 20 countable parts.

However, the shotgun you want to modify may not have all 20 parts.

I believe (not 100% sure) the Benelli M2 has 13 countable parts.
So, you would have to replace 3 of the foreign made parts with USA made parts in order to legally increase the capacity over 5 rounds.

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
(2) Barrels
(3) Bolts
(4) Bolt carriers
(5) Trigger housings
(6) Triggers
(7) Hammers
(8) Sears
(9) Disconnectors
(10) Buttstocks
(11) Pistol grips
(12) Forearms, handguards
(13) Followers

So does the below become null and void if one can find the required USA made parts to fit the gun (M4) in question?

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
Detachable magazine

[Quiet]

So does the below become null and void if one can find the required USA made parts to fit the gun (M4) in question?

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
Folding or telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Fixed capacity of more than 10 rounds(edit. number of rounds)
Detachable magazine

Yes and No.

922r meets the federal requirements.
So, yes, on the federal level what you listed would be legal, if you changed out the required number of parts to USA made.

CA law still applies.
So, no, on the state level what you listed would be illegal, even if you changed out the required number of parts to USA made.

Remember you need to be in compliance with both federal and state laws.

[getafterit]

Yes and No.

922r meets the federal requirements.
So, yes, on the federal level what you listed would be legal, if you changed out the required number of parts to USA made.

CA law still applies.
So, no, on the state level what you listed would be illegal, even if you changed out the required number of parts to USA made.

Remember you need to be in compliance with both federal and state laws.

So, on the Fed side it would be OK. But on the State side no? If the max capacity was Ten rounds or less then it should be OK right?
The Cali. rule says "pistol grip with a fixed capacity of more than Ten rounds"
So if it has the fixed stock with no other "evil features" it would comply right?

Sorry for being so confused.

[getafterit]

Just wanted to add, the extension tubes that I have seen bring the tube capacity to 7 rounds +1 in the chamber. This is below the 10 round limit in Cali.