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  • Cobrastrike
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 71

    New to Shotguns Question

    Looking for a cheap shotgun that can be for home defense, but double as a fun range gun...

    I've seen some cool adapters for break action shotguns that can pretty much make your shotgun shoot any kind of ammo, which I find pretty cool.

    Problem is, I've been looking at break action shotguns and for some reason they're stupidly expensive. Why is that? And is there a cheap, dependable one out there?
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    dskit
    Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 393

    Pump guns are the way to go...mossbergs are a good choice.
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    • #3
      rromeo
      Calguns Addict
      • Sep 2009
      • 6981

      If you want a double, Stoeger makes an okay gun for about $400. It's not a Browing, Beretta, or Perazzi, but it will be functional.
      The big difference between the cheap and expensive guns is the fit and finish. It's like opening a 1965 Chevrolet pickup door and then opening the door of a new Mercedes.
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      • #4
        XVIga_Rob
        Senior Member
        • May 2012
        • 2354

        Originally posted by Cobrastrike
        Looking for a cheap shotgun that can be for home defense, but double as a fun range gun...

        I've seen some cool adapters for break action shotguns that can pretty much make your shotgun shoot any kind of ammo, which I find pretty cool.

        Problem is, I've been looking at break action shotguns and for some reason they're stupidly expensive. Why is that? And is there a cheap, dependable one out there?
        Shotguns are are like car's, guitar's, or shoes. You have to find what you like, in your price range & intended use. Personally, I own a few pump guns that can & do it all! Well, there is that one dedicated HD gun I also own a pretty sweet little O/U that I bought before the price jumped.


        I'd point you to a Remington 870.. If your not opposed to used, I'm sure with a little effort & luck, you could find a mildly used Wingmaster in great condition for a good price. If not, don't overlook the express models. They are solid guns and can be had for a very reasonable price.


        Good luck with your search!

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        • #5
          DoddRod
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 542

          good deals on stoeger coach guns pop up in the market place from time to time. Personally I have always wanted a side by side.
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          • #6
            CSACANNONEER
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            • Dec 2006
            • 44093

            Get a sporting shotgun. It will work fine for HD and you won't look like a mall ninja at the range. I strongly suggest a pump (500 or 870) for a first shotgun.
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            • #7
              Cobrastrike
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 71

              Thanks for the input, guys...

              Pump shotguns can't be converted to shoot anything else though, can they?

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              • #8
                bigbearbear
                Calguns Addict
                • Jun 2011
                • 5378

                Originally posted by Cobrastrike
                Thanks for the input, guys...

                Pump shotguns can't be converted to shoot anything else though, can they?
                Yes they can.
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                • #9
                  Cobrastrike
                  Junior Member
                  • Apr 2014
                  • 71

                  Originally posted by bigbearbear
                  Sweet! I've only been finding the ones for break-action.

                  Been eyeballing the Mossberg 500 combo that goes on sale at Big 5. Prob make the leap and grab me some of those to mess with!

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                  • #10
                    bigbearbear
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 5378

                    Originally posted by Cobrastrike
                    Problem is, I've been looking at break action shotguns and for some reason they're stupidly expensive. Why is that? And is there a cheap, dependable one out there?
                    Check out the Ruger Red Label, is it not very cheap but at about $1000 for a break action, it is very nice. Probably the best deal on the market right now.

                    You can also look into Stoeger and Mossberg, they too have break action shotguns that are lesser known and quite a lot cheaper. They're ok so long as you're not a competition shooter putting thousands of rounds through them every week.

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                    • #11
                      CSACANNONEER
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                      • Dec 2006
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                      Don't make a shotgun purchase based on novelty cartridge conversions. While the idea may seem cool, it's should not be looked at as anything but a novelty.
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                      • #12
                        Cobrastrike
                        Junior Member
                        • Apr 2014
                        • 71

                        True...

                        What is it that makes break-action shotguns so much more expensive though?

                        Seems like pump action is so much more convenient, yet they're five times cheaper.

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                        • #13
                          Blackhorse2010
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2013
                          • 699

                          Good O/U and side-by-sides require a LOT more hand fitting and finishing during the manufacturing process.
                          Pump guns can get away with stamped steel parts, the tolerances on quality O/U's is much, much tighter.
                          You won't find a single stamped part on a Perazzi or Kreighoff.

                          If you are just looking for a "every now and then" range gun that doubles as a HD gun, you may want to consider the Mossberg 500 or Remington 870 (both pumps).
                          For the range, put on the 26" or whatever barrel, when you get home put on the 18.5 inch barrel.

                          I wouldn't even screw around with sub-caliber stuff in a pump or semi.
                          If you want to shoot smaller gauges, buy smaller gauge guns.
                          Or, if you decide to go the O/U route (definitely more expensive), expect to pay more for both the gun and the tube set.

                          As an example, here's a Remington 3200 with tubes (and this is on the low end of the price spectrum).



                          Note: This is NOT my sale, just being used as an example.
                          Last edited by Blackhorse2010; 05-16-2014, 6:23 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Cobrastrike
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2014
                            • 71

                            Ahh, I see.. so much more labor goes into break-action.

                            Is there any functional difference besides the obvious? Are they more reliable or accurate or anything? Generally speaking, of course.

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                            • #15
                              Thefeeder
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 5007

                              Originally posted by Cobrastrike
                              Ahh, I see.. so much more labor goes into break-action.

                              Is there any functional difference besides the obvious? Are they more reliable or accurate or anything? Generally speaking, of course.


                              Quality.... round count is measured in 10's of thousands...they say you can not wear out a Krieghoff action
                              Better triggers and lock up time
                              Barrels that produce very good patterns with many, mant different loads
                              Guns are balanced so bringing the gun to bear take a lot less effort
                              Resale value
                              Hand Engraving
                              Quality of the wood for the stocks


                              as for a a first shotgun.....26" or langer barrels and interchangable choke...lots of 18" barrels out there to buy cheap....lots of sg owners are getting into the clay shooting

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