Slugs and Rem 1100 ?

[golfish]

Good afternoon..

I went out to BLM this weekend with my 12ga (2.75" Improved Cylinder) to shoot some rifled slugs. I'm not new to shooting but I am new to slugs. I couldn't believe the power these things have, even up to 100 yards, Sorry to blab on. My question is,

How much more accurate is a rifled barrel over the rifled slug. Meaning using a rifled barrel with correct slugs compared to a rifled slug from a IC barrel. Sorry if I don't make sense.

How much father can you reach out with the rifled barrel compared to using a rifled slug and IC barrel?

One more question. Why do we read so much about the 870 and the MB 500 and very little about the 1100? I own a WingMaster 870 as well as a 1100, and a 20ga 1048. The semi auto is such a nicer gun.

[earhole]

Any issues with your 1100 and buckshots? My friends got and it seems to FTE on buckshots.

[STR8HEATED]

Ive read the o rings in the 1100 wears out. Inspect them and see if they need replacing.

[Champagne-N-Beer]

Hi golfish,

The rifled barrel is going to be a better option than a smoothbore. In terms of "how much farther" that is a tricky question because rifled slugs are not standardized (like the tolerances of a rifled bore) and hence there is much variation between types.

I normally wouldn't shoot out past 50-75 yards with a smoothbore and expect any kind of serious accuracy.

With a rifled bore, out to a 100 and even 150 yards is doable, and still punch in the package to do damage.

Regarding the Rem. 1100, they are great guns! Not much said about them? Is there something specific you mean? I believe they are the greatest selling semiauto shotgun ever, literally, and the 870 is the best selling shotgun, ever (someone should verify this FUD).

On these boards, most talk about 870's and 500's, well I would ask them, but I think it is because they are cheap (relatively), customizable, and people here like talking HD - not too many talks centered around hunting. Also, the 1100 has been around for so long that there are newer guns on the market that people like to get caught up in.

But, a good old 1100 is still a great gun, and yeah, pick up some cheap rings and you have a shooter for life.

Now switch the conversation to hunting in a blind, in the fall, during the rain, and you will have a completely different talk .

[golfish]

Hi golfish,

The rifled barrel is going to be a better option than a smoothbore. In terms of "how much farther" that is a tricky question because rifled slugs are not standardized (like the tolerances of a rifled bore) and hence there is much variation between types.

I normally wouldn't shoot out past 50-75 yards with a smoothbore and expect any kind of serious accuracy.

With a rifled bore, out to a 100 and even 150 yards is doable, and still punch in the package to do damage.

Regarding the Rem. 1100, they are great guns! Not much said about them? Is there something specific you mean? I believe they are the greatest selling semiauto shotgun ever, literally, and the 870 is the best selling shotgun, ever (someone should verify this FUD).

On these boards, most talk about 870's and 500's, well I would ask them, but I think it is because they are cheap (relatively), customizable, and people here like talking HD - not too many talks centered around hunting. Also, the 1100 has been around for so long that there are newer guns on the market that people like to get caught up in.

But, a good old 1100 is still a great gun, and yeah, pick up some cheap rings and you have a shooter for life.

Now switch the conversation to hunting in a blind, in the fall, during the rain, and you will have a completely different talk .

Thanks for the info,Champagne-N-Beer. I've had the 1100 and 870 for about 11 years. These guns are new "old stock" from the mid 80's, either one has seen 500 rds. I can't recall a single FTF with any of them, including the old 1048 20 gauge. Any thoughts on an online shop for a rifled barrel? Should I stick with a rem made barrel?

earhole, I have not had any problems shooting buck shot with my rem shotguns.

[Loumas_1148]

loumas_1148

..I am a newbee to shooting an an older person. I recently discovered my deceased fater's 1148 12 guage full choke shotgun. I have target shot it . Not sure what the relationship is to the 1100 but is is a good ole gun with some recycle issues.

[mjsweims]

..I am a newbee to shooting an an older person. I recently discovered my deceased fater's 1148 12 guage full choke shotgun. I have target shot it . Not sure what the relationship is to the 1100 but is is a good ole gun with some recycle issues.

The 11-48 is a great gun. Have fun with it. Since it is a full choke don't use it with slugs. Don't take it waterfowl hunting (unless you use bismuth or ITX or some other soft non-toxic lead substitute) because steel shot will destroy the barrel over a short time. Also stick to 2-3/4 non-magnum shells. Upland hunting, trap or other clay games are all doable.

[Efishnsea]

Moss 500/Slugs

Since your talking slugs, I seem to remember something in my 500 (std with 18 and 26" barrels) owner's manual saying it shouldn't shoot rifled slugs... am I off on this - is there an issue with the smooth-bore Mossberg and rifled slugs?? What's a decent value brand/type slug for HD in either rifled or std?

[a1rfreshener]

furthest ive shot a slug was 75 yards... and with just a front bead sight it felt like a long way.. they group well just seemed to be high right. i love brenneke full power slugs or Winchester slugs. the mossberg 500 is ok to shoot slugs out of the 18 inch barrel. not sure about the 24 since it has a modified fixed choke. i know the non rifles slugs that require a rifled barrel are interesting, they have a plastic cup that encases the slug which is what makes contact with the rifling inside of the barrel which then acts like a shotcup where it will strip away once its moving down range.

[Dorkhedeos]

Rifled slugs aren't designed to improve accuracy, they are to prevent choke/barrel damage in the case a choke is being used. It allows the slug to deform enough to get through the choke. The reason why you aren't supposed to use rifled slugs in rifled barrel is because of the lead fouling that happens within the rifling.

I believe that you will get better accuracy with sabot or foster slugs through a rifled barrel than you would out of a smooth barrel. Sabot slugs out of a smooth barrel will give you bad results just because they aren't designed to stabilize themselves in the air like foster slugs. I personally prefer foster slugs out of a smooth barrel since they are so cheap. I get about 8 inch groups at 50 yards with a bead sight. I am sure they can be more accurate, but its hard for me to shoot far without rear sights.

Edit: Forgot to add that I use hand cast slugs, you will probably get better results with factory ammunition.

[golfish]

Rifled slugs aren't designed to improve accuracy, they are to prevent choke/barrel damage in the case a choke is being used. It allows the slug to deform enough to get through the choke. The reason why you aren't supposed to use rifled slugs in rifled barrel is because of the lead fouling that happens within the rifling.

Dorkhedeos, So I have to ask because I'm not understanding. If not to stabilizes the round and make it more accurate, why are the slugs rifled. I thought the rifling added spin which made the round more accurate. If its a case of just cutting groves so they squeeze through the barrel, why are they rifled?

[Efishnsea]

Ditto on golfish... so non rifled slugs are the way to go unless your barrel is rifled or choked?

[Dorkhedeos]

Rifling does increase increase accuracy if it imparts a spin onto the projectile. However, rifled slugs impart little to no spin on the actual projectile in a smooth barrel since there is no rifling to engage. The way Brenneke(finned/rifled) and foster slugs stabilize themselves in the air is from the shape and weight distribution. The center of gravity is usually more towards the front and the back end is hollow to keep it flying straight. The method of stabilization is very similar to a badminton birdie.

The reason why rifling in any barrel works is that the bullet deforms into the shape of the barrel. Since the barrel has a helical groove along the length of it, the deformed bullet will follow the grooves(spin).

In shotguns, the wad expands outward to seal the gasses. If you have a rifled barrel, the wad/sabot will deform until it fits into the grooves of the rifling(spin). In a smooth barrel, the wad/sabot deforms to the shape of the bore and slides along the length of the bore(no spin).

The slug is actually pretty loose within the barrel so even if the rifling on the slug were to loosely engage somehow, the spin it imparts will be negligible. If you somehow get a rifled slug to seal a smooth barrel, it would look like a regular foster slug anyways since the fins would have to deform to the barrel shape.

If you shoot a foster slug out of a choked barrel, you will ruin your choke since it will have a hard time being squeezed into a smaller diameter. The fins on the "rifled" slug are there to minimize the damage by allowing the fins to be flattened.

I hope this helps

[TKM]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot46.htm

A little light reading.

[Efishnsea]

Thanks for the very cogent explanations!
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