birdshot is not the answer

[Blue]

Somebody tried to kill a family member of mine with bird shot and left him for dead. He walked several miles to a house where he got help. He was messed up, but survived and the cops nailed the 3 guys that did it to him. Birdshot isn't the right ammo to hunt people with.

[-hanko]

my point is that birdshot is not an effective stopper. if a guy can take a pretty good shot in the head and be ok enough to walk around and talk to reporters..... maybe birdshot isnt the best choice for home defense, as many members here claim it to be.

Those who do may want to repeat high school physics

-hanko

[sigsauer887]

Guy looks like beetlejuice.

Scream his name 3 times so he can make a visit

[Blue]

Guy looks like beetlejuice.

Scream his name 3 times so he can make a visit

Yea, look at all the flies and bugs hangin out on his forehead too

[ohsmily]

Judging by the shot pattern on that guys face there must have been some distance involved.At close range say within 10 feet bird shot has the same effect as a slug

Bzzt. No.

Surprised no one posted this yet.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

[tombinghamthegreat]

personally i use the best i can get; federal tactical 00 buck

+1 that and i love 00 buck. bird shot is too weak for SD and i would rather use slugs than bird shot. If you are going to use a firearm for defense, it should be to kill someone so they cannot counterattack you. The Vice President shot someone in the face with birdshot and he did not die.

[Kelvrick]

I personally use #1 buckshot.

[viras]

The guy in the video and the perps are all idiots. If the guy had originally restrained his dog (which is how it all started), the other dude would have had no problems with him. Build a damn fence already! The numbnuts said "This has been going on for years"... well dang, Einstein...you think you coulda built your dogs a kennel by now! The other dude and his son were just stupid to pull out guns over something so insignificant in the first place.

Idiots.

Anyway, for HD, I use 00 Buck. The Box of Truth guy is usually right...

[sloguy]

If the guy had originally restrained his dog (which is how it all started), the other dude would have had no problems with him. Build a damn fence already!

35 seconds into the video, theres the fence. your mistaken on that point.

[viras]

35 seconds into the video, theres the fence. your mistaken on that point.

Are you talkin about that thin, rusty, chicken wire looking thing that doesn't look like it could withstand a sneeze, much less a determined dog?

Ya, that's not a proper fence...

Judge Judy would yell at them both.

[V8toytruck]

I found out how ineffective birdshot was at Angeles's pistol range. When you hit the closest steel plates with a .45 those things go flying. When you hit it with a 9mm, it swings. When you shoot it with bird shot. Nothing happens! They barely flinch. 00 buck for me please