3-Gun Shotty

[tankerman]

It appears that the Winchester Super X2 and the Browning Auto5 (same action) had the fastest actions of any of the auto shotguns. The author was able to pull the trigger on Benelli faster than the gun could cycle, resulting in a hammer that followed the bolt and didn't fire the gun.



I would describe my personal experience with the Winchester Super X2 as phenomenal; I love that shotgun.

Having not participated in 3 gun and not knowing course or target layouts; is it possible to acquire targets as fast as you can pull the trigger?

[ar15barrels]

Just reading through this and 992r came up. I was planing on using a Browning Gold for 3gun. Shotgun is sitting at the ffl and new tube and handle are in the mail. Did I just screw up? If so how many parts do I need to be safe. Is there link that explains this? Thanks guys

922(r) only applies to foreign manufactured guns.

[ar15barrels]

Does the FN SLP and Mossberg 930 SPX share the same class?

As benelli?
No.

922(r) would apply to the FN though.

[ar15barrels]

Having not participated in 3 gun and not knowing course or target layouts; is it possible to acquire targets as fast as you can pull the trigger?

That depends on how good you are.
I have run plate racks where I out-shot an 1100, but a benelli was able to keep up with me.
You are talking split times around 0.15 before it's an issue...
It's a very rare occaision indeed where you run out of cyclic rate on a shotgun.

[randy]

Super set

The Mossberg 930 Field 28" vent rib barrel. This shotgun belongs to Dave Lavwer www.davesmetalworks.com. He cut it down to the same length to fit a 8 round mag extension and threaded it for screw in chokes, and put on a new front site.

This gun has run almost flawless so far 1k+ rounds through it. The only problems it had was cycling the old style Winchester lo recoil slugs. Since they don't make those anymore and it ran the new style without a problem I'm ok with that.

I was going to take it to Piru in the morning but because of work and some communication problems I won't be able to.

If every thing goes good I'll take it to the 3 gun match at West End on the 28th. If you are there you are welcome to shoot it. Bring your favorite ammo.

I do not recommend the cheap Winchester Super Sport stuff at Wal Mart. Some friends and myself bought a bunch of those shells and we all started having problems. Looking at the shells you could see the crimps were belled out and would jam the gun. Great for practice clearing a jam but really killed your time.

The cheap Federals are not a problem and run fine and are made well. I personally shoot Estate 7.5 and 8 and Focchi spreaders, Winchester Ranger Lo Recoil slugs and 00 buck when they call for it. 99% of the time I'm using a IC choke. The other choke I've used is a modified. I've shot slugs through the modified choke no change in POA/POI from the IC.

The biggest effect I've seen on changing your POI is the barrel band. Do whatever you have to do to keep it in one place and tighten it the same every time.

I just looked at a new Benelli M2 21" field gun yesterday $1230. The 930 is much cheaper about a third the price. There is a pretty good market for hotrodding the Benellis to the tune of $300 to $500 bucks over and above the cost of the gun.

The 930 will benefit from some of the same mods but all and all it has run "as is". Is it as good as a Benelli no plain and simple. Will it keep you from winning? Maybe if you are at the top it could. For the rest of us who knows.

The Benelli M4 doesn't hold enough rounds. With the mag extension it only holds 7 in the tube. Do to how the barrel is held on the gun I don't know if anybody is making an extension that sticks out past the barrel. Also www.davesmetalworks.com has made 2 of the three parts needed to please 922r.

I've been shooting 3 gun since the 90's. I try to compete 2 to 3 times a month this last month or so it was everyweek. I am not very good at it WTF (way to fat) but I have a good time. I do have all cool guns and know what works and what doesn't.

I will try and post some pics of some of the mods you can do to your Benellis with only a dremel and a file. My guns aren't as hotrodded as "the boys" but they work everytime for me.

[what2be]

- Due to 922(r) and the lack of US made parts, you can't legally get it to hold 8+1
- It's more expensive than M1/M2s

It's a decent shotgun and I'm sure it's being used in it's neutered state in smaller competitions, but for anything more serious the M1/M2 is the way to go.

Umm..educate me please.

The US made extension tube goes to 7+1 on the benelli M4, how is it even possible to get 8+1? AFAIK, the M1 and M2 are the same. (7+1)

as far as 922(r) goes, I thought you needed less than 10 imported parts to make it legal for use in the US? There is someone right now in the benelli sites forum that has prototypes of hammer, trigger and disconnect. There are already plenty of people that make aftermarket (US made) mag tube, follower and handguard so the way I understand it is that when the hammer, trigger and disconnect start being more readily available,it will be legal, (but at 7+1).



Another post in this thread was recommending the FN SLP for 3 gun. It only holds 6+1. I'm not understanding why someone would pick the FN SLP over the M4. I guess my question is, why WOULDN'T the M4 be considered a good 3 gun shotgun?

tia..

[FlyingPen]

Ok did some more research on Mossberg 930s.

Choate makes a pistol grip and a 9 shot mag tube.

So if I get something like an SPX, can I add the pistol grip and 9 shot tube to get 9+1?

http://www.RifleStock.com/catalog_page_detail.cfm?recordno=3&Product_CatalogID=2958&ProductNumber=02%2D04%2D33&ProductCode=27&ProductSubCodeID=178&NewProduct=0

I really like the FN SLP I checked out at the store but it seems with 922r, it'll be hard to add a pistol grip and mag tube later on.

[macguyver77]

How can you own this in California? I thought the shotgun with a detachable mag was a no no.

Before getting my saiga, I ran with a 20ga 870 with 21" barrel and tube extension. Never had an issue.

[FlyingPen]

How can you own this in California? I thought the shotgun with a detachable mag was a no no.

magazine lock

[randy]

The M4 barrel mounts differently than the M1 and M2.

On the M4 the retaining ring for the barrel is at the end of the barrel then the mag tube nut goes on to hold the barrel in place. The M1 and M2 the retaining ring for the barrel is down the barrel and slips way down on the tube. The retaining nut is a pass through design and you can put a longer tube on it.

[what2be]

The M4 barrel mounts differently than the M1 and M2.

On the M4 the retaining ring for the barrel is at the end of the barrel then the mag tube nut goes on to hold the barrel in place. The M1 and M2 the retaining ring for the barrel is down the barrel and slips way down on the tube. The retaining nut is a pass through design and you can put a longer tube on it.

ahh.that makes sense. So for 3 gunning, is it pretty much mandatory you want the 8+1 vs the 7+1? Or do people shoot competitively with the 7+1?

[randy]

Lots if not most stages are designed to shoot 8 rounds before you move. With 8+1 you still have a round in the chamber you just need to fill the tube. Going dry with a shotgun is not conducive to winning.

Another thing is most people can grab and load 4 rounds at a time from a shell caddy. If you shot 7 you would load 4 then only be able to load 3 which means you'd have to shoot with one in your hand.

I hope this helps.

[what2be]

Lots if not most stages are designed to shoot 8 rounds before you move. With 8+1 you still have a round in the chamber you just need to fill the tube. Going dry with a shotgun is not conducive to winning.

Another thing is most people can grab and load 4 rounds at a time from a shell caddy. If you shot 7 you would load 4 then only be able to load 3 which means you'd have to shoot with one in your hand.

I hope this helps.

Makes perfect sense. One other question.
Why was I reading on another forum that the saiga guy was getting his butt kicked? He attributed it to him just not being as good as a shot as others (he finished 3rd at the ft.benning 3gun shoot last year) but I would think the saiga would be more popular. Especially with the 10 round mags.

[FlyingPen]

Woohoo.

Just bought this, minus the surefire.

M1 Super 90

[randy]

The mags put you in open those guys with the speed loaders are pretty fast. You still have to shoot two other guns.

The overall winner loaded his gun by hand one round at a time.

Stage design can have a lot to do with wheather the Saiga will have an advantage. Missed shots with a Saiga can kill you on time. Here's an example. Lets say there are 4 bird shots then 4 slugs shots. You get a jam or miss a target you have to take an extra shot but you can't just stuff one in like you could do with a tube gun. So you have to change mags make up your shot then change again to get to your slugs. Or you take a miss which can be 10 seconds. This might not be a perfect example but it might give you an idea.