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  • Captain Spalding
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2011
    • 10

    Hawkepak QND Bag Review, and a Request

    Greetings all,

    I recently found myself wanting a gear bag to fill a specific niche. Something, that should the need arise, I could quickly pull out of the gun safe along with a shotgun. Gun safe real estate is precious so the bag needed to be small. I also wanted something subtle - read no MOLLE. Something purpose made for ammo, but easily taken for something else, say, a camera bag. I wanted it primarily for the purpose of carrying shotgun rounds, a pistol, and extra pistol magazines. If one wants to carry AR and pistol mags, a bag to suit that purpose can be found anywhere. To my surprise however, there is a dearth of shoulder bags geared toward shotgun ammo. Most of what's out there for shotshells is made to be used in conjunction with either MOLLE gear or a gun belt. But there's not much in the way of bags. This surprised me. I figured that there must be a lot of people out there in both the civilian and LE communities who would choose or are limited to a shotgun as a long gun.

    My research led me to the Hawkepaks website. This name was new to me, but the company has been around for a long time. They have a lot of great designs. And some original ones too, not just the same ol'-same ol'. They make all their own stuff in the USA. The quality is great. The cost is competitive. They didn't have exactly what I was looking for, but what they did have came pretty darn close.

    I ended up with their small QND bag. QND for Quick and Dirty. They make several versions of the QND bag but the small one suited my needs best. It carries just what I want to carry in the smallest form factor (most bags that fall into the "rapid response" or "active shooter" classification are much bigger.) I paid $55 for it.


    Shown with an iPhone for scale. The website says it measures 8 x 8.5 x 3". As I have it loaded, it measures 10"W x 9"H x 4"D. It can be had in Coyote and OD as well as black. It's very well constructed. When loaded it maintains its shape pretty well and doesn't sag like a bag of bricks.


    Loaded with a full size pistol, 25 shotshells, 2 pistol mags. It could carry a lot more if I wanted.


    Upper left: the interior of the bag has 4 double AR mag pouches (that's 8 mags) with elastic retainers. Lower left: the front flap lifts to reveal elastic loops for 4 pistol mags. Upper right: on each end of the bag is a pouch sized for one AR mag. The flap is adjustable and removable. Lower right: this is Hawkepak's 15 round shotshell strip. Loaded up, it fits perfectly into an interior double AR mag pouch. If I wanted I could carry 45 shotshells along with the pistol inside the bag, or, if I omitted the pistol, 60 shotshells.

    So, size, shape, and quality-wise this bag is great. The weakness, for me, is that it is AR-centric rather than shotgun-centric. The shotshell strips are a great way to carry a lot of ammo in a little space, but where reloading is concerned, they are a compromise. Never one to settle, I wrote to Hawkepaks and included a little sketch of a modified version of the small QND bag that might better accommodate those of us wanting a shotgun-specific bag.


    This bag would be very similar to the small QND bag that I have. The difference would be that the front compartment would have a tear away cover which, when pulled away, would reveal several rows of elastic shotshell loops. A setup like this would make reloading much easier than it is with the shotshell strips. I received a reply from Hawkepaks the same day, from Ed Hawke no less. (It says a lot about a company when people at the top take the time to answer the concerns of the average Joe.) Mr. Hawke says that the concept is, in his words, very "do-able", but that the cost of a one-off might be a bit high. He suggested that I post my drawing and see if I can garner any enthusiasm for the idea.

    So I'm asking you all a favor. If you would buy a bag like this, please say so in a reply to this post. If we can get enough interest drummed up, maybe we can get some made!
  • #2
    SilentPea
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 528

    Looks like an awesome idea, but I would rather have the tear open panel be Molle or similar mounting options. I find reloading out of elastic loops to be barely better than just grabbing loose shells out of a pouch. If it was customizeable in the flip out pouch, you could run belt-mount shotshell carriers, pistol mags, or whatever you want.

    Alternatively, you can get some velcro shotgun cards and stuff the internal AR mag pouches full of them. Put a strip of velcro on your receiver and you have a near endless supply of full side-saddles.

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    • #3
      negolien
      Veteran Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 4829

      Nice write up... as always I dig the effort some of you guys put in to help fellow calgunners out. Anytime I see a write up no matter if I use the item or not I always read em. You never know what you might find handy.
      "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

      George Orwell

      http://www.AnySoldier.com

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      • #4
        Squidward
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2006
        • 1779

        Nice write-up, Capt. I like (and would buy) your shotgun QND.

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        • #5
          Captain Spalding
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2011
          • 10

          Originally posted by SilentPea
          Looks like an awesome idea, but I would rather have the tear open panel be Molle or similar mounting options. I find reloading out of elastic loops to be barely better than just grabbing loose shells out of a pouch. If it was customizeable in the flip out pouch, you could run belt-mount shotshell carriers, pistol mags, or whatever you want.
          Interesting idea. MOLLE loops would make it a much more versatile pack. The question would then be how deep to make the area under the flap.

          Originally posted by jessegpresley
          Honest question. What's the point of a discreet shotshell bag? The shotgun in my hand is gonna be a dead giveaway.
          That is a very legitimate question, and one I've thought of myself. The only answer I can think of off hand is that the bag could do double duty, as a pistol range bag or whatever. There are lots of bags out there that are designed to be stealthy/non-tactical looking, so there must be other reasons as well.

          Thanks everyone for your replies. Let's keep them coming please!
          Last edited by Captain Spalding; 06-06-2013, 12:36 PM.

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          • #6
            Captain Spalding
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 10

            Another vote for a molle panel instead of the shotshell loops. Okay.

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            • #7
              The sarge
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2013
              • 518

              I disagree with the MOLLE panel as it defeats the purpouse of looking non tactical. Personally I like your idea of a fold out shell holder. This could also be designed for precision rifle work with a simple change in loop size. I have a T3 bug out bag that has 3 double mag pouches on the front with a flap that covers them, MOLLE loops on both sides(currently there is a leatherman Mut on one side and a surefire on the other side), a Velcro internal pouch that houses a pistol holster and 2 mag straps, an internal radio or GPS pouch, some rifle round loops and space for more in the center. It looks like a messenger bag but is to tactical to be inconspicuous. It didn't cost me anything but I would like something less tactical for out in the open use.

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              • #8
                Captain Spalding
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2011
                • 10

                That's right. Neither the shotshells or the MOLLE would be exposed until after the flap had been torn away, and by that point the cat would already be out of the bag (pun intended) and its tactical nature would already be obvious.

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                • #9
                  CWDraco
                  Banned
                  • May 2007
                  • 3359

                  Unless you commonly see guys walking around with a purse, this bag is going to stick out like a sore thumb. It will draw attention. I would drop the discreet stuff related to its design. The fact it can double as a CCW "purse" is sorta nonsense because no guy is going to use it for that. No girl will either. They have actual purses that do it.

                  I love the rip away drop down design. It needs straps to secure around the leg at the bottom. Those straps will fall out and have QD buckles. Its basically a bag that gets attached to my gun belt and when I need to deploy the shotgun, I also deploy the ammo as needed. First the inside pull leafs, then the rip away front as a last resort.

                  With a pouch of this design, I can sling my shotgun and work. I can do whatever I need to without worry of losing shells, damaging shells. When needed, its ammo supply of large proportions.
                  Last edited by CWDraco; 06-09-2013, 6:15 PM.

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                  • #10
                    CWDraco
                    Banned
                    • May 2007
                    • 3359

                    ^ Actually now that I think about it, I would use the rip away first, then the leafs would secure to the drop-down once its empty of shells.

                    I would most definitely use this bag over a bandoleer.

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                    • #11
                      Captain Spalding
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 10

                      Originally posted by CWDraco
                      Unless you commonly see guys walking around with a purse, this bag is going to stick out like a sore thumb...
                      I don't know. The QND could easily pass for a camera bag.
                      Left: small QND bag. Right: LowePro camera bag.


                      It needs straps to secure around the leg at the bottom. . .
                      I neglected to mention in my remarks in the first post that the QND bag has a second set of D-rings. They're on the back, and a waist belt is provided in addition to the shoulder belt. IMHO, when loaded this bag might be too heavy for a drop-leg rig, though.

                      Originally posted by CWDraco
                      ^ Actually now that I think about it, I would use the rip away first, then the leafs would secure to the drop-down once its empty of shells.

                      I would most definitely use this bag over a bandoleer.
                      I like your thinking here. If I had my druthers, I'd go with MOLLE under the tear away, and put a couple of 3-gun style shell strippers there. In use one would go to the strippers first, and then go to the shotshell strips to either reload the strippers (or the magazine directly, depending on circumstances.)

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                      • #12
                        The sarge
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 518

                        Agreed it looks like a camera bag and MOLLE inside the bag makes more sense I guess I don't understand the comment.

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                        • #13
                          CWDraco
                          Banned
                          • May 2007
                          • 3359

                          Originally posted by Captain Spalding
                          I don't know. The QND could easily pass for a camera bag.
                          Left: small QND bag. Right: LowePro camera bag.



                          I neglected to mention in my remarks in the first post that the QND bag has a second set of D-rings. They're on the back, and a waist belt is provided in addition to the shoulder belt. IMHO, when loaded this bag might be too heavy for a drop-leg rig, though.


                          I like your thinking here. If I had my druthers, I'd go with MOLLE under the tear away, and put a couple of 3-gun style shell strippers there. In use one would go to the strippers first, and then go to the shotshell strips to either reload the strippers (or the magazine directly, depending on circumstances.)
                          It doesnt matter what it looks like. The bag is useless without a shotgun. The bag alone to CCW a pistol is not going to sell. Guys, even gay guys are not going to walk around with a fake camera bag if they have a LTC. They are going with a IWB holster.

                          Treat the bag for what it is and design it as such. A portable ammo supply for a shotgun.

                          I would also get rid of the side pistol magazine holders.

                          If the rip out front is too long or cumbersome for a leg drop down, then its going to be a POS, PITA to use anywhere but high on your chest. Again this goes straight to my point of not having it be discrete. If its a chest rig for a shotgun, then design it as such. Its nice to have it folded up and out of the way while not in a firefight.

                          If not a leg strap, then a waist strap to secure it. Think about trying to move with that flap flopping around unsecured.

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                          • #14
                            Captain Spalding
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 10

                            Draco, just so I'm clear on this, you're opinion is that there is no reason to have a discreet bag if it carries long gun ammo?

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                            • #15
                              CWDraco
                              Banned
                              • May 2007
                              • 3359

                              Originally posted by Captain Spalding
                              Draco, just so I'm clear on this, you're opinion is that there is no reason to have a discreet bag if it carries long gun ammo?
                              Yes. I am not saying to deck it out with camo and MOLLE, but trying to maintain discrete design shouldn't take priority over functioning as a shell holder.

                              My comment on the strap is from experience with using a shell carrier on a sling. Its a PITA to pull shells out with the sling not held in place somehow. This flap may also share this flaw if not secured. The flap may also be annoying and a snag hazard if designed wrong.

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