california mag tube max capacity?

[a1rfreshener]

sorry if this has been brought up before but i cant seem to find a 100% answer that is current to 2012. tried Google and the calgun search bar.

is there a law that limits how much shells I can fit in my mag. tube of my 930spx? i live in california and my uses would be for HD and blasting away in the dessert. ive seen online people are worried it may turn their shotgun 922 worthy? and other people keep saying 922 is still around or has been dropped. im not to sure who to believe since i might potentially be carrying an illegal shotgun that holds to many shells .

[ElDub1950]

the 590 I bought in CA recently holds 9. I think the 930 only holds 8. Shouldn't be a problem.

[prc77]

the 930 is made in the USA so 922r is not an issue, and a 10 round tube is the max

[Quiet]

USA made shotguns are exempt from Fed 922r.

For non-exempt persons...
max capacity for a tubular magazine on a semi-auto shotgun = 10 rounds
max capacity for a tubular magazine on a pump-action shotgun = 10 rounds
max capacity for a tubular magazine on a lever-action shotgun = no max capacity because they are exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws [PC 16740(c)]




Penal Code 16740
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[CSACANNONEER]

No long gun is "exempt" from 922(r). It is not legal to manufacture (that includes replacing parts on an exisiting firearm) ANY long gun with more than 10 imported parts. All the home built and commercially built AKs which have been manufactured in this country still need to comply with 922(r). Of course, it is not illegal to own a firearm which does not comply. It's only illegal to manufacture one.

[negolien]

LOL oh my head hurts

No long gun is "exempt" from 922(r). It is not legal to manufacture (that includes replacing parts on an exisiting firearm) ANY long gun with more than 10 imported parts. All the home built and commercially built AKs which have been manufactured in this country still need to comply with 922(r). Of course, it is not illegal to own a firearm which does not comply. It's only illegal to manufacture one.

That's the most non answer I have heard in here I think. he's not putting more than 10 "imported parts" on it. It's also not an AK so....I think the crux of the question is simple.

What is that max amount of shotgun shells a person can have in a pump action tube fed american made shotgun.

[CSACANNONEER]

That's the most non answer I have heard in here I think. he's not putting more than 10 "imported parts" on it. It's also not an AK so....I think the crux of the question is simple.

What is that max amount of shotgun shells a person can have in a pump action tube fed american made shotgun.

I was responding to the claim that since it is made in the US, it is exempt. That is simple not true. The AK reference was just a common example of a US made gun.

To answer the question about tube capacity, the only limiting factor is legally obtaining a tube over 10 rounds. There is no legal limit to the capacity of a tube or other fixed magazine in any shotgun IF said tube is legally obtained or manufactured. The shotgun AW flow chart is pretty clear about that.

[robcoe]

max capacity for a tubular magazine on a lever-action shotgun = no max capacity because they are exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws .

Some day, I hope to see someone make a 12 gauge lever action shotgun with a 30 round capacity. Just to see it done.

[Paltik]

If you hunt with a shotgun in California, it cannot be capable of holding more than 3 rounds at a time. A simple tube plug is all that is needed for the majority of shotguns that are capable of more. Not an issue for HD, but if there are rabbits where you're blasting away in the desert, give some thought to how you'll demonstrate you're not hunting (e.g. set targets, etc.).

[Dakine_surf]

If you hunt with a shotgun in California, it cannot be capable of holding more than 3 rounds at a time. A simple tube plug is all that is needed for the majority of shotguns that are capable of more. Not an issue for HD, but if there are rabbits where you're blasting away in the desert, give some thought to how you'll demonstrate you're not hunting (e.g. set targets, etc.).

I think this limit only applies to birds... I could be way off on this, but I thought if the animal has fur, you are allowed 5 rounds. Maybe that is just deer and bears, pigs etc.

oh and this guy

[a1rfreshener]

thanks everyone so much for the info... im gonna go with the nordic components+5 extension. im guessing the rules dont apply to the 10 in the tube + 1 in the chamber like pistols and rifles?

[CSACANNONEER]

thanks everyone so much for the info... im gonna go with the nordic components+5 extension. im guessing the rules dont apply to the 10 in the tube + 1 in the chamber like pistols and rifles?

Uh, the high capacity magazine still apply. Are you exempt from it? If not, you will be committing a felony if you manufacture a +10 round magazine.

[TacticalPlinker]

thanks everyone so much for the info... im gonna go with the nordic components+5 extension. im guessing the rules dont apply to the 10 in the tube + 1 in the chamber like pistols and rifles?

Huh? Having 10 rounds in a magazine (or tube) and 1 in the chamber does not violate any high-capacity magazine laws. Having a round in the chamber is separate from the magazine.

[Dakine_surf]

I know this has been asked before, but: does loading the Aguila 'mini shells' in a normal '10 shot' tube constitude committing a felony? because one can load 12, 13 and sometimes 14 shells 'just in the tube', plus 1 in the chamber.
I know they may not 'cycle' reliable in semi-autos, but you can still technically load more than 10 rounds in a semi-auto with pistol grip attached.
and they do work well with some pumps.

This is exactly why I think this law is kinda a grey area, especially with pumps and semi's without pistol grips... I can load over 20 of these mini shells in my competition rig. I know people on here are saying that it is whatever the manufacturer said the capacity was with what the gun was designed to fire.

The reason lever action rifles and .22 tube fed guns are exempt was because of the very reason above. There are size difference in each round, and it is impossible to say how many rounds the tube can take.

[Quiet]

This is exactly why I think this law is kinda a grey area, especially with pumps and semi's without pistol grips... I can load over 20 of these mini shells in my competition rig. I know people on here are saying that it is whatever the manufacturer said the capacity was with what the gun was designed to fire.

The reason lever action rifles and .22 tube fed guns are exempt was because of the very reason above. There are size difference in each round, and it is impossible to say how many rounds the tube can take.

Currently, CA DOJ measures tubular capacity with the same length shell the manufacturer uses to determine capacity.

lever-action tubular magazines were exempt, in order to get cowboy action shooters to switch from opposing to supporting the large capacity magazine bill. They were then used as an example that pro-gun groups support "reasonable" gun control laws and sway on-the-fence politicians to pass the bill into law.