Ugly as sin, but dang...

[xDIEGOx]

[Javi]

I didn't know it alternated tubes so I think that's really awesome. Cutting it down to 10 rounds for CA is disappointing, though.

[taiwon]

Yes.
Mag tubes are plugged to 5 rounds per tube for a total capacity of 10 rounds.

Because it can automatically switch between the tubular magazines, there's an issue in that it can be considered a single ammunition feeding device and not two seperate feeding devices. Therefore, the capacity for each tubular magazine is being limited to 5 rounds each, for a total capacity of 10 rounds.

This differs from the Kel-Tec KSG because it's tubular magazines have to be manual selected. So, they are considered seperate feeding devices and not a single ammunition feeding device.


FYI.
The Kel-Tec KSG and UTAS UTS-15 are all spawns/variations of the Truvelo Armory Neostead NS-2000 (South African shotgun that came out late-Q4 2000).

The original shotgun. Truvelo Armory Neostead NS-2000

wow that blows, whats the point of a 10 round one? there's regular shotguns like my remington 870 that can hold 7+1. this double tube look is only useful and necessary if your gun can hold over 10 rounds, thats kinda the point isnt it?

[taiwon]

...an interesting concept: UTS 15 Review

this thing is sick. looks like something outta starship troopers or something

[k1dude]

The problem I have with both the UTS 15 and the KSG is they're pumps. I want a semi-auto version made by someone like Benelli or Mossberg. The SRM 1216 exists in that category, but who wants to drop $2,400 on a no-name?

[Firerescuebatt07]

Lord have mercy, I want this...

[Clutch-n-Throttle]

It's an awesome rifle but it will suck if you are a lefty.

[Dakine_surf]

I don't believe there are any restrictions on tube fed pump guns... because the magazine is not detachable this should be GTG. Someone with the correct PC please correct me if I am wrong.

[Sicarius]

Not a fan... loading looks like a super PITA.
Kevin

[Quiet]

I don't believe there are any restrictions on tube fed pump guns... because the magazine is not detachable this should be GTG. Someone with the correct PC please correct me if I am wrong.

You are incorrect.
Tubular magazines on non-.22 caliber* pump/slide-action shotguns are not exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws.

What is exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws:
1. .22 caliber tubular magazine fixed to any (bolt, pump/slide, lever, semi-auto) action firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun, other). [PC 16740(b)]
2. any caliber tubular magazine fixed to any lever-action firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun, other). [PC 16740(c)]

*A .22 caliber pump/slide-action shotgun would be exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws, but there are none currently in production.


Penal Code 16740
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

[tjg]

I think they get around this by having 2 mags, each with capacity less than 10.

A LEO brought one to Jackson Arms the other day while I was there. It destroys paper very well!

I'm lefty so it won't do for me. KSG it is!

[Ryan in SD]

Seems clumsy as hell to operator unfortunately.

I wish you could just toss in shells without having to operate the doors.
Not to mention, reloading at all would take some time.

I'll stick with mag fed semi shotys

[Dakine_surf]

You are incorrect.
Tubular magazines on non-.22 caliber* pump/slide-action shotguns are not exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws.

What is exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws:
1. .22 caliber tubular magazine fixed to any (bolt, pump/slide, lever, semi-auto) action firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun, other). [PC 16740(b)]
2. any caliber tubular magazine fixed to any lever-action firearm (handgun, rifle, shotgun, other). [PC 16740(c)]

*A .22 caliber pump/slide-action shotgun would be exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws, but there are none currently in production.


Penal Code 16740
As used in this part, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(a) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(b) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(c) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.

Not to take us way off topic here, but what about the guys running s12's with 20 round drums at the local 3 gun matches?

Also does that make my Open shotgun I run in 3 gun illegal? It holds 14 in the tube?

What about just a standard 8 shot pump, if you use mini shells you can hold 15?

I was under the assumption that because shells come in such varying lengths there was no way to say how many rounds it carries.

[Quiet]

Not to take us way off topic here, but what about the guys running s12's with 20 round drums at the local 3 gun matches?

Also does that make my Open shotgun I run in 3 gun illegal? It holds 14 in the tube?

What about just a standard 8 shot pump, if you use mini shells you can hold 15?

I was under the assumption that because shells come in such varying lengths there was no way to say how many rounds it carries.

CA's assault weapons laws differ from rifle to handgun to shotgun.
Because CA assault weapons laws do not restrict the capacity of shotguns; if you can legally acquire a 20 round Saiga-12 drum, you can legally use it in a maglock Saiga-12.

If you modified the shotgun to hold more than 10 rounds before 01-01-2000, then it's not illegal.
If you modified the shotgun to hold more than 10 rounds after 01-01-2000, then you manufactured a large capacity magazine.

CA DOJ measures capacity with the same shell length the factory that makes the shotgun.
So, manufacture states 7 round capacity with 3" shells, CA DOJ measures capacity using 3" shells.

[Quiet]

I think they get around this by having 2 mags, each with capacity less than 10.

A LEO brought one to Jackson Arms the other day while I was there. It destroys paper very well!

I'm lefty so it won't do for me. KSG it is!

LEO's are exempt from CA's large capacity magazine laws.

Because the tubular magazines automatical switch from one tube to the other, it's considered a single ammunition feeding device. Therefore, it needs a capacity of 10 rounds or less.