Mossy and loadout info

[PonchoTA]

Hi guys,

I just got a Mossy 500 Persuader yesterday at Uncle Paul's Exchange (Yayyy! Paul! Great shop, great service!).

Wondering how to get more than 3 rounds in it, it's a 6 or 7 round tube magazine. I gather that there is some sort of dowel restricting the load, but how do you get it out?

Also, what is the suggested load out on these for home defense? Right now I have the first round is 00 Buckshot in case I only need one round, it won't damage too much in the place, in case of accidental discharge, and in case it's an unidentified friendly, to give them the chance. I have 2 slugs after that for the case that I need to shoot them again, or it's a genuine bad guy, 2nd shot WILL take them out.

Any suggestions? What do you recommend for HD load?

Thanks for the help! This forum rocks!

Paul

[outersquare]

if you take off the barrel, there should be an open screwhole at the top/end of the tube magazine, the dowel should fall through.
Worst case you can also just unscrew and take off the entire mag tube.

[kpw001]

if you take off the barrel, there should be an open screwhole at the top/end of the tube magazine, the dowel should fall through.
Worst case you can also just unscrew and take off the entire mag tube.

The mag tube is on pretty tight so grab a pair of channel locks and a good towel to wrap around the tube. I had a little bit of trouble screwing the tube back in because the magazine follower didn't sit flat in the receiver so just something to check if you have trouble getting it back in. Don't forget to keep the dowel if you plan to go hunting, by law you must only be able to have 3 shells loaded at any time while hunting. If you lose the dowel any stick will do just fine.

You've got it down as far as your HD loadout. Everyone I've see here keeps 00 and slugs in some combo or another. I personally have 5 00 in the tube with 2 slugs and 3 more 00 in a side saddle of my Mossy 500. I live in an apartment so I figure the 00 will go through fewer walls or even into a neighbor's wall than a slug will.

[outersquare]

that is true, if you have trouble getting the tube back on, do not force it, wiggle the follower back into the mag tube before trying to screw it in further.

fortunately, it hasn't been necessary yet for me to remove the mag tube just to get the dowel out, but the option is there.

[PonchoTA]

Thanks guys! I didn't realize it would be just that simple! I took the barrel off, turned it upside down and the tip of the dowl was sticking out, I just pulled it all the way! I don't go hunting, so I won't have to worry about putting it back in. Maybe later if I sell it, but for now, I'll leave it.
Now for my loadout, I've got 1 00 Buck shell, followed by 5 slugs. I may change that out depending on further feedback, but this may do me for now.

Paul showed me that pulling the fore-end down about halfway, the barrel lock nut is fairly easy to turn, and when putting it back together, just put it hand tight. The fore-end at one end or the other keeps plenty of tension on the nut, and keeps it tight.

Cheers, and have a great day!

Paul

[Utha Schleigle]

Make sure the slugs are designed for a smooth bore. When you buy them it will say on the box for smooth or rifled bore. If you bought a few wrong rounds don't fret too much, just use them up and when you shop again look at box - don't trust counter help to know or care.

I was impressed by sabot slugs. They really wollup a water heater - both sides!

Slugs - sabots may not be reccommended for apartment buildings, (my opinion) because of over penitration. Buck shot 00 or 000 or 0000 is real good. Shots like BB down to #2 - geese,duck,deer is what I reccommend for inside shots (my opinion). I do not reccommend lighter shots even at close range such as #6,#7,#7.5,#8,#9 for home defense (I do respect that others have different opinions on this subject)

I think a shot gun should be aimed for every shot to make the pattern aspect of the gun work for you. The closer the range the more you aim. Keep in mind you now have a very potent rifle with lotz of UMFFP! when you got slugs in it.

Others will chime in but I think your first round will be more aimed and folowing will be less aimed and/or moving to cover or ???? Maybe round #1 slug-#2 00-#3 geese shot (then re-aim) round #4 slug-#5 00- #6 geese shot.

Take your gun out to the desert or outside where you can shoot fast and have some fun. You will soon have your prefferred loads and combo's you like and shooting techniques.

[ByTheNumbers]

...I have the first round is 00 Buckshot in case I only need one round, it won't damage too much in the place, in case of accidental discharge, and in case it's an unidentified friendly, to give them the chance.

I'm surprised that no one commented about this statement. The apparent thinking behind it makes me uncomfortable. Buckshot will penetrate and damage plenty, whether through walls or friendlies. The later statement about how a slug for the second shot will take out a "genuine" bad guy also implies that hitting a friendly with buckshot on the first shot is not that big deal? Did I understand that correctly?

Who are these "unidentified friendlies"? Do you have roommates or other family members around? Unless you live alone, firing at any "unidentified" targets is unsound on many levels--tactically, ethically, and legally. There is a high probability that a solid hit with 00 buckshot will kill the person so you do not want to hit any friendlies with it.

Maybe you're confusing "buckshot" and "birdshot"? In that case, your statements would suddenly make more sense. Even so, I would not be very--um--"friendly" with you if I were your roommate and you shot me with birdshot before making sure I was an intruder first.

I think most people would not recommend slugs for home defense because of the high danger of overpenetration if you live in an apartment or have neighbors close by.

[Utha Schleigle]

Unfortunately many peace officer's are accidently shot by a home owner who has called the police and then goes outside to check the perrimiter with a shotgun and does not know or forgets in the excitement - the police are sneaking up on his house because he called.

Keeping control over kids and wives - being very sure it is not one of them you blast could be a plan.

Not sure on the exact statistics but (and it is a big BUTTTTT) the odds of having to shoot a stranger is remote say 10percent (unless you are military or police) of shootouts. It seems the statts (I think the FBI) of shoot outs are 80percent with 25feet and 65percent 10 feet. (IF I am wrong thats when I learn the most, so it is OK to correct me) Most people will have to shoot someone they know at close range and usually the shootee is closing ground or running away. Thats why I like peper spray and a machette. Many of my shotguns have bayonettes in case I can't reload and hand to hand time with MOM.

So this guy is just having some fun or he may very good reasons to fear his friends and family. Maybe like me he was blessed with a sheltered childhood.

[costayoung]

Right now I have the first round is 00 Buckshot in case I only need one round, it won't damage too much in the place, in case of accidental discharge, and in case it's an unidentified friendly, to give them the chance.

In case of accidental discharges and in case of shooting at unidentified friendlies, maybe you should just leave the shotgun where it is. You know, just to give them a chance.

Please review the 4 rules of gun safety, for the sake of unidentified friendlies around the world.

Here's some field testing of the ammo you're talking about..

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

[Utha Schleigle]

In case of accidental discharges and in case of shooting at unidentified friendlies, maybe you should just leave the shotgun where it is. You know, just to give them a chance.

Please review the 4 rules of gun safety, for the sake of unidentified friendlies around the world.

Here's some field testing of the ammo you're talking about..
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

Thanks for the great link. I noticed they did not use sabots With the hardened rear section or BB 3inch shells.

[PonchoTA]

Please don't get all high and mighty on me here.

Here's the type of scenario I was thinking of (although I'm sure there are others too):

Late at night, or I get woken up by something. I grab the shotgun, and I see a shadow across the hall. I announce that I have a gun, but it's my neighbor coming to check out who is in my house (I travel a lot, and they usually look out for the place) and they don't realize what I said to reply in a positive way before I shoot; or, it's actually the policeman in my backyard looking for a suspect and doesn't realize that I'm armed; or... you get the point, I hope.

I've never actually BEEN in a situation as stressful as NEEDING to pull out my guns. I practice quite often, I've been a member of several Ship's Security Forces on my various ships while I was in the Navy with all kinds of scenarios and situations to practice, but nothing can adequately prepare you for the real thing. Will I inadvertently pull the trigger? Will I be too nervous or scared to remember all 4 of the gun rules? I certainly hope that I will perform correctly, even admirably, in the case of real danger, but until you are actually in it, it's all theory.

THAT'S why I posed the question in the first place, and made the decision about the 00 Buck for the first round.

Thanks for the link on the ammo tests too, I'll bookmark it!

[Baron]

One thing you may want to think about is some sort of light, like a Surefire Forend. it will light things up more then enough for you to identify any intruder. Plus it will blind any intruder.

Also I wouldn'y consider Birdshot for anything HD wise. I used it at the 40yard Tin Can range at LOs Altos Rod and Gun Club and it couldn't even knock over a small water bottle filled with water. OO buck is the only answer for HD... Slugs will go through several walls and the intruder, that's probably not a good thing in a residental area...

I've never ran into a situation where I had to worry about my friends just walking into my house, but I think a light on your shotgun is a good answer

...Just my 2 cents...

[PonchoTA]

One thing you may want to think about is some sort of light, like a Surefire Forend. it will light things up more then enough for you to identify any intruder. Plus it will blind any intruder.

Also I wouldn'y consider Birdshot for anything HD wise. I used it at the 40yard Tin Can range at LOs Altos Rod and Gun Club and it couldn't even knock over a small water bottle filled with water. OO buck is the only answer for HD... Slugs will go through several walls and the intruder, that's probably not a good thing in a residental area...

I've never ran into a situation where I had to worry about my friends just walking into my house, but I think a light on your shotgun is a good answer

...Just my 2 cents...

Yeah, that's something else I was considering, but I have a bit of difficulty attaching a light to something that's directly in front of me. When we did tactical searches on the ship (and base security) we practiced both the FBI and DEA versions of lighting and gun control. I like the DEA more myself because it has the light at a whole different spot than where you are. BUT, I concede that will be very difficult to do holding a shotgun. With a pistol, not so bad, but that only requires one hand.

I will look more into the lights, thanks for the suggestion!

[Utha Schleigle]

I know that it is silly but what the 4 GUN RULES? I was not paying attention at that part of highschool.

I believe that the only good pirate is a dead pirate - so I respect your service in the US Navy. Useing A shotgun for putting holes in a small fast speed inflatable boats closing on your fantail would be good.

What 12gauge loads were use to clear on ship around machinery and such?

[PonchoTA]

I know that it is silly but what the 4 GUN RULES? I was not paying attention at that part of highschool.

I believe that the only good pirate is a dead pirate - so I respect your service in the US Navy. Useing A shotgun for putting holes in a small fast speed inflatable boats closing on your fantail would be good.

What 12gauge loads were use to clear on ship around machinery and such.

Unfortunately, these are not taught in high school, although I think they used to be taught in Boy Scouts (it's been awhile, pls forgive my bad memory!)

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

#'s 3 and 4 are what a previous poster is giving me **** about.

Thanks! I did my 20 yrs, was time to get out and let the newer, younger sailors take over! I just hope I taught them enough to stay out of harm's way.

I think we usually used 00 Buck there too, although I usually carried a .45 and "hunted" down the bad guys! You can clear a ship pretty quickly with a good team by your side. (except for an aircraft carrier! Just give up now! There are literally thousands of hiding places on there!)

Cheers!