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  • ThE_LoNgShOt
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2012
    • 815

    the bigger, the better?

    my new HD shotgun will accept 3 1/2" shells, but I'm not sure I'd ever use them. I'm sure these would be great for hunting geese where you're taking some really long shots, but for home defense? I'd rather shoot low recoil 2 3/4 inch 00 buck and have an extra two shells in the gun. so am I looking at it the wrong way? anyone want to make a case for 3" + shells for HD?
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  • #2
    CK_32
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2010
    • 14369

    I think anything over 2 3/4" for HD is such over kill if oh want power shoot standard slugs or 00 you'll be fine.

    My thing is for HD take advice from people but don't ever rely on a load or bullet you havnt shot a few times through your HD weapon. Most important thig is being 1000% sure it's going to work.

    And id say after shooting a 3 1/2" even a 3" with out hearing protection at the range a few times you'll get your answer if it's a good thing for HD load..
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    • #3
      BigDogatPlay
      Calguns Addict
      • Jun 2007
      • 7362

      Originally posted by ThE_LoNgShOt
      anyone want to make a case for 3" + shells for HD?
      There's no reason to make a case for them, IMO. The payload and powder charge of 2 3/4 inch shells should be plenty sufficient in most any HD scenario if the guy behind the gun does his job.

      While the longer shells carry more payload and at higher velocities, the trade offs in magazine capacity, recoil and muzzle flash aren't worth it, again IMO.
      -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

      Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

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      • #4
        Kodemonkey
        • Jun 2010
        • 2904

        From my understanding 00 buck in

        Federal low recoil 2 3/4 = 9 pellets 1145 fps
        remington express 3" = 15 pellets at 1225 fps
        Winchester 3.5" = 15 pellets at 1450 fps

        So the 3" is close to the same velocity but more pellets. May not be a bad choice.

        For my HD, its the Federal low recoil in 2 3/4. I think 9 pellets will certainly do the job if I hit center mass.

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        • #5
          BigDogatPlay
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2007
          • 7362

          Originally posted by Kodemonkey
          So the 3" is close to the same velocity but more pellets. May not be a bad choice.
          The force required to get those six additional pellets worth of mass moving 80 more FPS over the less mass of the managed recoil ammo is actually significant.
          -- Rifle, Pistol, Shotgun

          Not a lawyer, just a former LEO proud to have served.

          Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. -- James Madison

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          • #6
            RuskieShooter
            Member
            • Feb 2011
            • 468

            My shoulder is still sore...

            Originally posted by ThE_LoNgShOt
            I'd rather shoot low recoil 2 3/4 inch 00 buck and have an extra two shells in the gun. so am I looking at it the wrong way? anyone want to make a case for 3" + shells for HD?
            Funny you should ask...

            I was considering moving up from 2 3/4 to 3" 00 buck in my home defense Mossberg 590 (with ATI Scorpion pistol grip and collapsible stock). I went to the range on Sunday and put 15 rounds of Remington Express 3" 00 bucks down range to get a feel for it.

            When I got home I reloaded it with 2 3/4....

            -Ruskie
            The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

            -Hon. Alex Kozinski (Silvera v Lockyer, 2003)

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            • #7
              bsg
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2009
              • 25954

              2 3/4 inch buckshot is all you'll need for HD. i prefer to have the extra magazine capacity and less recoil in a defensive duty shotgun.

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              • #8
                intensefab
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 249

                Load it with 3 1/2 magnum loads, that will fix the problem!!!
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                • #9
                  Sicarius
                  CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                  CGN Contributor
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 2917

                  2 3/4 may be overkill as it is seeing its penitration on typical house construction. I would rather have the magazine capacity too...
                  Kevin

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                  • #10
                    ThE_LoNgShOt
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 815

                    Originally posted by RuskieShooter
                    Funny you should ask...

                    I was considering moving up from 2 3/4 to 3" 00 buck in my home defense Mossberg 590 (with ATI Scorpion pistol grip and collapsible stock). I went to the range on Sunday and put 15 rounds of Remington Express 3" 00 bucks down range to get a feel for it.

                    When I got home I reloaded it with 2 3/4....

                    -Ruskie
                    haha.... overkill??
                    "A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any other invention, with the possible exceptions of handguns and Tequila..."

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                    • #11
                      CasperSYTFU
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 758

                      3" kick like a mother compared to 2 3/4".

                      Forget about 3 1/2"! Poor shoulder/eyes/ears!
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                      • #12
                        RuskieShooter
                        Member
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 468

                        Originally posted by ThE_LoNgShOt
                        haha.... overkill??
                        Very much so. Its Tuesday and my shoulder is still a little bit sore.

                        -Ruskie
                        The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.

                        -Hon. Alex Kozinski (Silvera v Lockyer, 2003)

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