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  • #16
    Go Navy
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2008
    • 2184

    I dropped off my Browning Silver Hunter 20 gauge barrel only (not the entire shotgun) with a new Hi-Vix red fiber optic front sight still in its original package, which I had obtained from Midway USA and which is spec'ed for Brownings, including an assortment of screws to fit. I took it to Diablo Gun Works in Pleasant Hill, because they have two or three gunsmiths who work on site. I wanted them to install the sight because the original white bead was plastic and I could not get it off, since it immediately deformed with any tool. I did confirm directly, by phone, with Browning customer service that these beads are threaded into the sight rib. In other words, the rib is already tapped. Obviously the people at HiViz know this, too, as their product and the screws they send with it are designed for this.

    I had my Trulock Skeet I choke in it, and Diablo suggested I remove it and take it home with me, which I did. As you read on, you'll notice that turned out to be a lucky move, maybe, or maybe not.

    After a week, today I picked up the barrel with the new sight installed. It looked ok based on a cursory inspection. It was only after I got home that I noticed they had apparently tapped the hole down through the sight rib and into the barrel itself, and the screw they used to mount the sight is too long and sticking into the barrel! Evidently someone there is unaware that shotguns have interchangeable chokes; that if you're wondering you can simply look into the barrel and see the threads for chokes; and that most, or maybe all Brownings come with interchangeable chokes. Even if they didn't you wouldn't want a screw sticking down into the muzzle of your shotgun as it would do weird things to your patterns! Of course the chokes will not even go into the barrel at this point. And I'm not even a gunsmith.

    Maybe it was already tapped through to the barrel and they just used the wrong screw. I'm guessing that if they simply replace the screw with a shorter one that stops short of the inner surface of the barrel, then installed chokes will cover up the resulting recess and there won't be any problems. Naturally it'll never be fired without a choke in it.

    The good news is that the internal barrel threads for the chokes are back aways from the muzzle so those were not affected by this mistake. Tomorrow I'll take the barrel back and have them correct this avoidable error.

    Frustrated. You would think a gunsmith worth his salt would not make a mistake like this.
    Last edited by Go Navy; 07-24-2012, 5:11 PM.
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    • #17
      xtra870
      Member
      • Jun 2008
      • 375

      I think that is absolutely BS and i would be furious that happened. Any competent gunsmith should understand something that simple. However if it was just a simple screw mixup it will be easy to fix and no harm done.

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      • #18
        ysr_racer
        Banned
        • Mar 2006
        • 12014

        I told you to just take off the front bead and call it a day

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        • #19
          Go Navy
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2008
          • 2184

          Ok, Ok, ysr, now you can say "you told me so". Gimme a break!!
          USN Veteran, Gun Owners of Calif. Member, NRA Life Member

          You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. (Ronald Reagan, 1964)

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          • #20
            Go Navy
            Senior Member
            • Jul 2008
            • 2184

            Originally posted by xtra870
            I think that is absolutely BS and i would be furious that happened. Any competent gunsmith should understand something that simple. However if it was just a simple screw mixup it will be easy to fix and no harm done.
            I assure you they WILL get the message. And all liberty is hereby cancelled until further notice. Don't like it? See the Chaplain.
            USN Veteran, Gun Owners of Calif. Member, NRA Life Member

            You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. (Ronald Reagan, 1964)

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            • #21
              kmca
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 2371

              Not that big of a deal. Just have to shorten the screw

              BTW, if a bead isn't necessary how come all the top shooters use one???

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              • #22
                ysr_racer
                Banned
                • Mar 2006
                • 12014

                Originally posted by kmca

                BTW, if a bead isn't necessary how come all the top shooters use one???
                Beats me, I'm nowhere near a top shooter.

                But I don't think my lack of beads is the problem

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                • #23
                  high_revs
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 7753

                  old navy, i'd be furious. it sounds a lot like incompetence of drilling thru the barrel. even the videos on brownell's say do not drill thru the barrel and even threw in a trick of putting a penny in between the rib and barrel. i don't know enough about shotguns to know how badly this would it. but you have a hole in an area not designed to have a hole now.

                  i'm surprised they didn't drill anymore to give your ports. LOL (sorry coudln't resist that one).

                  i'd be pissed off though if in your place.

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                  • #24
                    Go Navy
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 2184

                    The problem was fixed yesterday while I waited, and it only took 10-15 minutes. On the initial visit, I never spoke to the actual gunsmith; I talked with the store owner. The owner was extremely apologetic. He called the gunsmith out of the 'smithing shop in the back and we talked. He also apologized, was embarrassed, and said he must have got distracted, put it aside, and then didn't realize he had not finished the job. I've used this 'smith before and he's highly experienced, older, and doesn't talk nonsense.

                    The screw was removed, ground down to fit flush on the inside of the barrel, and reinstalled with blue loctite, which is removable. Now the inside of the muzzle is smooth and you can hardly tell where the screw is. The chokes go in fine now.

                    I've attached a picture which shows how small these HiViz shotgun sights are. To my eye, they're designed to look about the same size as a bead when you are behind the gun. It's a clean, low profile look to me, and doesn't look gimmicky. The screw head is just forward of the fiber optic, but you can barely see it in the picture.

                    The picture also shows a Trulock Skeet choke installed. If you don't like the stainless look (which of course you don't see at all when shooting) they come blued, too. The choke extends another couple inches down into the barrel, way past the point near the muzzle where the sight screw is located. The choke threads are at the deepest end of the inserted choke. The barrel diameter expands slightly near the muzzle end to accommodate the interchangeable chokes. You wouldn't tend to notice that unless you looked very carefully or ran your hand over the barrel. I suppose they're all like this across all makes.....not sure, though.

                    Now she's ready for some clays.
                    Last edited by Go Navy; 12-13-2014, 8:24 AM.
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                    • #25
                      ysr_racer
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 12014

                      Glad it worked out for you !!

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                      • #26
                        Go Navy
                        Senior Member
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 2184

                        Originally posted by ysr_racer
                        Glad it worked out for you !!
                        Thanks, ysr. The proof will be in the shooting! I'm a lousy clay shooter, so I can't blame any results on the sight. I'll find something to blame it on!
                        USN Veteran, Gun Owners of Calif. Member, NRA Life Member

                        You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We'll preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we'll sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness. (Ronald Reagan, 1964)

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                        • #27
                          ysr_racer
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 12014

                          Originally posted by Go Navy
                          I'm a lousy clay shooter, so I can't blame any results on the sight. I'll find something to blame it on!
                          Now you're thinking. There's been plenty of days:

                          The sun was in my eyes
                          I had a pebble in my shoe
                          It was a fast pull
                          It was a slow pull
                          The bird was broken coming off the machine
                          That was a "no bird" because...

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