870 Police

[Kenji8]

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[Chameleon Loco]

I am looking for one too

http://m.publicsurplus.com/sms/docviewer/aucdoc/Remington%20Shotguns-diff.%20between%20870%20model%20types.pdf?auc=556236&docid=3346989

This is the difference of the 870 Express and police models. Though the Remington 870 Police will be a little more expensive I think its worth the extra money because of the parts and the name.

[NYCShooter]

http://m.publicsurplus.com/sms/docvi...&docid=3346989
This is the difference of the 870 Express and police models. Though the Remington 870 Police will be a little more expensive I think its worth the extra money because of the parts and the name.

The Remington marketing piece you referenced is dated and inaccurate. You think the Police is "worth the extra money because of the parts and the name"? The difference in the easily replaced small parts is about $30, so what, exactly, is the name worth? Have you owned either?

To the OP: Here is the deal with the Police vs. the Express (and I have owned several of each).

Generally, out of the box, the Police will have a smoother action, as they are finished a little better. This can easily be remedied with 0000 steel wool and shooting, over time: no big deal to me, although others may differ on how important this is to them.

The following are the ONLY internal parts that are different between the Express and the Police:

1. The trigger housing on the Police is pressed metal, that on the Express is polymer - advantage Express, as the polymer trigger housing is known to be more durable (ask any Remington armorer). I have bent a few Police guards, but have never damaged an Express guard. Note: I have recently learned that some of the newer P guns are now also using the polymer trigger guards.

2. The extractor on the Police is forged, the Express is MIM. Upgrade the extractor: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...duct/EXTRACTOR Cost $14.99 (I always replace the extractor, but have never seen a MIM extractor break on an Express).

3. The Police has a stronger carrier dog follower spring than the Express. This is also an easily upgrade: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...R-LATCH-SPRING It is listed as a carrier latch spring for the 1100 and 11-87, but this is the correct spring used in the Police. Cost $4.84 The interesting thing is that Remington charges the same for either spring (the P is black, and that is the only way to tell them apart). So why doesn't Remington use the same spring in both guns? Marketing.

4. The Police uses a stronger magazine spring on the 6+1 versions (I believe that both 4+1 versions now use the same spring). Purchase a new spring from Wolff: http://www.gunsprings.com/Rifles%20%...108/dID216#606 Cost $8.99

5. Sear spring - As of several years ago both versions now use the identical spring (the one from the Express).

Those are the only differences that matter between the Express and the Police; the rest is simply marketing. Most of the custom 870 builders, such as Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, and AI&P Tactical use the 870 Express platform because it is basically the same gun at a lower cost. Purchase an Express, use the money saved to buy ammo, and practice, practice, practice.

[CharlesV]

NYC thanks for the post.

For any reason do you recommend changing any parts on that list in an older 870 WM?

Speaking of dated info, people might like this 1969 vid of Remington factory. Amazing workmanship.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXh9q4TnCNw&feature=related

[333Ronin-san]

Ah, thank you for confirming what I've been gathering. I think overall maintenance of your shotgun lubed also cleaned after every use and not let it sit in your gun bag a collect dust and rot also helps to have an optimal functioning weapon. Generally speaking.

My only other choice was the XCS marine magnum. I cannot even find one now. I'm more than happy to get an Express or Tactical tho.

[aippi]

Nothing to add as NYCShooter said it all and is correct.

[NYCShooter]

NYC thanks for the post.

For any reason do you recommend changing any parts on that list in an older 870 WM?

Speaking of dated info, people might like this 1969 vid of Remington factory. Amazing workmanship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXh9q...eature=related

You may want to change the springs, because over time, with a lot of use, the springs on any gun become fatigued and should be replaced. The only other upgrade would be the flex-tab. Look at your carrier; if it does not have a u-shaped cutout, or "tab", you may want to upgrade it with the flex-tab upgrade kit: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...FLEXITAB-BLACK The upgrade prevents solid lock-ups and allows easier clearing of jams.

[trashman]

I have two (one in polished blue, and one parkerized with "Iron Works Gun Sights" rear sight (a KYSP overrun). I've also got the -P predecessor when it was just called the 870 Magnum.

Anyway, looks like Budsgunshop has some in stock:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=870p&x=0&y=0

...also, check shotgunworldforums for an old thread on a short run of the polished blue 870P's .

--Neill

[WDE91]

Nothing to add as NYCShooter said it all and is correct.

JD is the 870 guru here and when he gives that stamp of approval that is impressive

[Chameleon Loco]

[QUOTE=NYCShooter;8622231]The Remington marketing piece you referenced is dated and inaccurate. You think the Police is "worth the extra money because of the parts and the name"? The difference in the easily replaced small parts is about $30, so what, exactly, is the name worth? Have you owned either?

No I do not own an 870 but I am planning on purchasing one with an extendend remington le magazine extension. It may be more money for a police model but the time I would spend upgrading a 870 express and the shipping makes it worth it for me. I do realize that the Express is a better deal but I just like that it says police on it and it already has the upgrades. I am trying to make an 870 with all Le parts and acessories like a surefire tactical led light, night sights, and Speed Feed stock. I think Aipi sells a model like it.

[Plisk]

Only other difference over the Police vs. Express is that the Police models come actually parkerized. Remington's parkerizing is exceptional quality.

As far as contacting PDs go, when they do auction off their weapons they use a company to organize the auction and to find a dealer to handle all the DROSing. I purchased a surplus 870P when Anaheim PD auctioned them off.

[NYCShooter]

Only other difference over the Police vs. Express is that the Police models come actually parkerized. Remington's parkerizing is exceptional quality.

True, but a parkerized finish will rust if not kept oiled (think of it as an "oil sponge"), which is true of any finish (except professionally applied Armor-Tuff, NP3, Ceracoat, etc.)

[Paradiddle]

The Remington marketing piece you referenced is dated and inaccurate. You think the Police is "worth the extra money because of the parts and the name"? The difference in the easily replaced small parts is about $30, so what, exactly, is the name worth? Have you owned either?

To the OP: Here is the deal with the Police vs. the Express (and I have owned several of each).

Generally, out of the box, the Police will have a smoother action, as they are finished a little better. This can easily be remedied with 0000 steel wool and shooting, over time: no big deal to me, although others may differ on how important this is to them.

The following are the ONLY internal parts that are different between the Express and the Police:

1. The trigger housing on the Police is pressed metal, that on the Express is polymer - advantage Express, as the polymer trigger housing is known to be more durable (ask any Remington armorer). I have bent a few Police guards, but have never damaged an Express guard. Note: I have recently learned that some of the newer P guns are now also using the polymer trigger guards.

2. The extractor on the Police is forged, the Express is MIM. Upgrade the extractor: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...duct/EXTRACTOR Cost $14.99 (I always replace the extractor, but have never seen a MIM extractor break on an Express).

3. The Police has a stronger carrier dog follower spring than the Express. This is also an easily upgrade: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1...R-LATCH-SPRING It is listed as a carrier latch spring for the 1100 and 11-87, but this is the correct spring used in the Police. Cost $4.84 The interesting thing is that Remington charges the same for either spring (the P is black, and that is the only way to tell them apart). So why doesn't Remington use the same spring in both guns? Marketing.

4. The Police uses a stronger magazine spring on the 6+1 versions (I believe that both 4+1 versions now use the same spring). Purchase a new spring from Wolff: http://www.gunsprings.com/Rifles%20%...108/dID216#606 Cost $8.99

5. Sear spring - As of several years ago both versions now use the identical spring (the one from the Express).

Those are the only differences that matter between the Express and the Police; the rest is simply marketing. Most of the custom 870 builders, such as Wilson Combat, Nighthawk, and AI&P Tactical use the 870 Express platform because it is basically the same gun at a lower cost. Purchase an Express, use the money saved to buy ammo, and practice, practice, practice.

Is there a difference between the express and the wingmaster? I thought the receivers were different?

I'm curious - wanting to know before I buy.

[NYCShooter]

Is there a difference between the express and the wingmaster? I thought the receivers were different?

I'm curious - wanting to know before I buy.

The receivers are the same, except that really old WM are chambered for 2 3/4" only (newer versions either 2 3/4" or 3"). The older WM also will need the flex-tab upgrade. The finish and level of finish are different, of course. But, it really depends on what your intended use of the gun is. For HD, for example, you would probably want to replace the barrel with a shorter, 18 1/2" one (which would have a different finish), add an extension tube, etc. I consider the WM the top of the line sporting gun and the Express and Police better suited, out-of-the-box, for tactical or HD use. As usual, WMMV.

[Kenji8]

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