Home defense birdshot?

[acaligunner]

Just a question ~ is the SG’er actively searching for the bg - or are we in a specific room hunkered down and warning the bg not to enter.

If its the later I figure there’s a lot of obstacles that the birdshot / buckshot pellets are going to hit, so gtg.

If we are searching well then we do not know where we will be at or what obstacles will be for our backstop.

So ?

[hermosabeach]

I beg to differ. While I admit 00 has a lot more adherents and wil lcertainly get the job done, many well informed commentators feel No. 1 buck with 15 pellets is even better:

"The previous #1 Buck Flite Control load contained 15 pellets with an 1100 feet per second (fps) muzzle velocity. Dr Gary K Roberts described it as offering “ideal terminal performance for (both law enforcement and self-defense use.” When shot into calibrated ordinance gelatin, these pellets would penetrate to a depth of 14-18”. Roberts noted that this led to 35% more tissue damage than one would get with an equivalent 9 pellet 00 buckshot load."
Can't get link to work, but here is URL: https://americancop.com/federals-1-buck-is-back/

I am fortunate to have stocked enough of the "previous #1 Buck Flite Control load" for the inevitable zombie apocalypse.....

LEO legally owns every pellet. There is no way a department is going to increase pellet count.

Ballistics gen is not a human.

it does give a medium to compare a bunch of rounds and calibers against each other.


after an event in the Philippines, the US military shot a bunch of goats to see the effect.

it
led to the .38 being replaced with the .45


has anyone in Texas done hog hunting with #1 to see how it works on animals?

[hermosabeach]

Just a question ~ is the SG’er actively searching for the bg - or are we in a specific room hunkered down and warning the bg not to enter.

If its the later I figure there’s a lot of obstacles that the birdshot / buckshot pellets are going to hit, so gtg.

If we are searching well then we do not know where we will be at or what obstacles will be for our backstop.

So ?

Just like in the movies, will an open fridge door stop bird shot?

what about someone who drops behind a couch?


don't overthink this issue

buck has worked well for 100+ years


use 00 buck

[acaligunner]

Just like in the movies, will an open fridge door stop bird shot?

what about someone who drops behind a couch?


don't overthink this issue

buck has worked well for 100+ years


use 00 buck

I do use OO Buck fight control and even keep 2 slugs - just in case bg is behind a couch ~ SG’s are kinda simple buck or slugs in the 1014. 🙂

[W.R.Buchanan]

The long and short of this conversation is really that you need to take your shotgun out and shoot various things with it with different ammo so you can see for yourself exactly what is going to happen.

I recommend buying some Tactical Low Recoil 00, and starting with that. Then compare that to some regular #8 Birdshot and/or any other ammo you want to try..

Shoot at 5, 10, 15, and 25 yards so you can see how the patterns open up at the different distances and then figure out how that relates to your home.

After you are done not only will you have a better understanding of what your gun will do, but you will also get some valuable "Trigger Time" that will improve your Gun Handling.

Randy

[hermosabeach]

I do use OO Buck fight control and even keep 2 slugs - just in case bg is behind a couch ~ SG’s are kinda simple buck or slugs in the 1014. 🙂

I don't live in a big place. From my muzzle to the longest shot is so short I don't want a tight choke nor flight control.

a vang comp in my place, I could just run slugs.

part of the beauty of 8-9 pellets is that the brain has a harder time processing the damage of 8-9 wounds that are 6"-12" apart.

the brain can easier deal with a single hole




--- we have all cut ourselves and it does not bleed at first. The brain constricts blood vessels and capillaries temporarily to prevent bleeding.

people have hands amputated and they don't bleed and the brain can stop the flow.


a shotgun has spread. Now grab a tape measure and figure out your longest possible indoor shot and set up gun and ammo to be the most beneficial at this range. Just my thought process.

[k1dude]

I don't live in a big place. From my muzzle to the longest shot is so short I don't want a tight choke nor flight control.

a vang comp in my place, I could just run slugs.

part of the beauty of 8-9 pellets is that the brain has a harder time processing the damage of 8-9 wounds that are 6"-12" apart.

the brain can easier deal with a single hole....


a shotgun has spread. Now grab a tape measure and figure out your longest possible indoor shot and set up gun and ammo to be the most beneficial at this range. Just my thought process.

Yup. Many people think they want Federal Flight Control for home defense because that's what the police use. They think they don't have to really aim since they're using a shotgun. They don't realize the groups are tight enough with FFC that you might as well use a rifle at those inside-the-house distances. Federal Flight Control is for law enforcement that might have to take longer shots. Flight Control might be good if you own a mansion or rural property though.

For an inside-the-house gunfight using a shotgun (because you might not aim that well or that quickly), you want a more rapid spread. Especially if you own a modest home like most people. Which means a looser choke and a short barrel is preferred. An 18 to 22 inch barrel with a cylinder or improved cylinder choke is what you want. In that modest home you also want something like #3 buck to prevent over-penetration. Showering your neighbors homes with 00 buck or slugs isn't optimal.

[ar15barrels]

If you refuse to use slugs or buckshot for home defense, use BB or #2 shot.

[five.five-six]

🍿nom nom nom.

[MasterChief]

My house is a two-storey, bedrooms upstairs. Most of my shots would either be down the stairs or horizontal and nearly 15 feet AGL. Only other two-storey in sight is 150 yards to my six. I suppose you could fire from a kneeling position to put more obstacles in the way of wayward projectiles.

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[acaligunner]

Yup. Many people think they want Federal Flight Control for home defense because that's what the police use. They think they don't have to really aim since they're using a shotgun. They don't realize the groups are tight enough with FFC that you might as well use a rifle at those inside-the-house distances. Federal Flight Control is for law enforcement that might have to take longer shots. Flight Control might be good if you own a mansion or rural property though.

For an inside-the-house gunfight using a shotgun (because you might not aim that well or that quickly), you want a more rapid spread. Especially if you own a modest home like most people. Which means a looser choke and a short barrel is preferred. An 18 to 22 inch barrel with a cylinder or improved cylinder choke is what you want. In that modest home you also want something like #3 buck to prevent over-penetration. Showering your neighbors homes with 00 buck or slugs isn't optimal.

I have been shooting for a while and I aim my SG’s, also I’m not going to be hunting a bg in my home.

I’ll be on 1 side of my house and if bg comes in then we will see what happens - if there are any rogue pellets there will be a lot of objects they will have to go threw to reach any neighbors, including having to pass through my cinder block walls.

As to fc shells - yes I want as many pellets on target- that’s what I know and that’s what I’m using.

[acaligunner]

My house is a two-storey, bedrooms upstairs. Most of my shots would either be down the stairs or horizontal and nearly 15 feet AGL. Only other two-storey in sight is 150 yards to my six. I suppose you could fire from a kneeling position to put more obstacles in the way of wayward projectiles.

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Yes, I have already seen what possible rounds / pellets will have to hit IF there are any erratic rounds not hitting the intended target.

I also have cinder block walls around my home.

I’m not hunting anyone inside so I have my plans already worked out.