12 gauge rubber buckshot

[NYY]

been thinkn, with the "HD shotty" idea, killin someone might not even be a choice id like? whats your take on rubber ammo. slugs, buckshot. good idea? or no. will it still stop someone in their tracks?

[bohoki]

i have a box of s&b rubber ball i cant think of a time when i would use it on a human

[strongpoint]

if you don't want to kill, don't pull the trigger. shooting to wound in a self-defense situation can be prosecuted as attempted murder.

the basic theory is this: if you don't feel that your life is in sufficient danger that you need to kill your attacker, use of a deadly weapon is unwarranted to begin with. shoot to kill or not at all.

[NYY]

the basic theory is this: if you don't feel that your life is in sufficient danger that you need to kill your attacker, use of a deadly weapon is unwarranted to begin with. shoot to kill or not at all.

oh wow... nevermind then.

[r3dn3ck]

or we could focus on the other direction... I won't shoot someone to kill them. I'll shoot them to stop a threat. That they're really really really likely to die from the way that I'm responding to the threat isn't my problem. It's not my static intent to generate a fatality that causes me to keep a gun for HD. Note that if I've defaulted to the level of my training like we all hope we will then yeah, dude's going to be in real danger of dying. It's still not my problem, it was his problem.

I know there's a bit of moral relativism in that but really, all morality is relative.

EDIT: Apart from all that, rubber bullets sounds like a profoundly bad idea. Shoot someone with a fake bullet and they'll be frisky about it.

[-hanko]

oh wow... nevermind then.

What did you intend to do when you pointed your "shotty", as you called it, at another human?

Your goal is to stop the threat, and you've pulled the gun because you or your family are in imminent danger of death or grave physical harm. How are rubber projectiles gonna' help??

Get trained by a competent trainer before you get yourself killed.

"Ow wow...nevermind then". BS. Was your question serious or trolling?

Inquiring minds, etc.

-hanko

[CSACANNONEER]

Your HD "Shotty" only shoots 6mm plastic balls in the first place. Now, when you grow up and buy a real shotgun, please do not put rubber buckshot or slug in it and use it in a SD situation. If you end up becoming a LEO when you grow up, you might be trained in the use of less lethal ammo and when to deploy it. But, you would NEVER use it in a SD situation. There are some great old threads on this subject. I just don't feel like digging for them. BTW, I have both rubber 00 buck shot and rubber "12g ball" ammo. It can be fun to shoot and has some non human target, practical applications.

[plumbum]

Read Massad Ayoobs book: In the Gravest Extreme:The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection

We like to play pretend with our toys, but there are times when they must be used as the tools for which they were designed.

[TheExpertish]

if you don't want to kill, don't pull the trigger. shooting to wound in a self-defense situation can be prosecuted as attempted murder.

the basic theory is this: if you don't feel that your life is in sufficient danger that you need to kill your attacker, use of a deadly weapon is unwarranted to begin with. shoot to kill or not at all.

Can you cite sources on this? You shoot to stop the threat. I don't know of anyone that teaches or advocates "shoot to kill".

[NOTARPilot]

You might be better off just arming yourself with a down pillow. That way you can be sure there is no way you will harm the attacker/intruder who wishes to do harm to you or your family. ;-)

[ham]

the only "rubbers" you need, are with a special someone and a burglar isn't that.

[NYY]

if a 12ga. mossberg 500 tac. cruiser isnt considered a "real shotgun", then im not quite sure what is. the idea of the thread was, NOT TO TROLL, but you can keep on thinkn that. it was about stopping the threat without killing the guy. unless you think this fuc* deserves to die by means of blasting his chest out (which i WOULD NOT have a problem with), would you ever consider rubber shot. and also, usually in the "killings" situations, even if the threat was real, the firearm is taken for "evidence" and is usually never returned...but thats only from a story ive read on here. anyways, just WONDERING, not TROLLING, if putting rubber buckshot into a guy and putting him on the floor without killing him would be a choice by any of you. clearly not... But I still am unsure.

[NYY]

you can be sure there is no way you will harm the attacker/intruder who wishes to do harm to you or your family. ;-)

this is what i mean. why is it expected this intruder is out for blood, instead of a guy crazy for stealing something, never having the thought on killing someone (ending to movie Phone Booth), and resists to leave?

[CSACANNONEER]

if a 12ga. mossberg 500 tac. cruiser isnt considered a "real shotgun", then im not quite sure what is. the idea of the thread was, NOT TO TROLL, but you can keep on thinkn that. it was about stopping the threat without killing the guy. unless you think this fuc* deserves to die by means of blasting his chest out (which i WOULD NOT have a problem with), would you ever consider rubber shot. and also, usually in the "killings" situations, even if the threat was real, the firearm is taken for "evidence" and is usually never returned...but thats only from a story ive read on here. anyways, just WONDERING, not TROLLING, if putting rubber buckshot into a guy and putting him on the floor without killing him would be a choice by any of you. clearly not... But I still am unsure.

OK, you have a PG only shotgun (BTW, that is my last choice in a HD shotgun) instead of an airsoft "shotty". That's a start. Now, to again answer your question, if you feel the need to use lethal force (a firearm regardless of the ammo), you really should USE LEATHAL FORCE. You are not a LEO and have ZERO training on the use of less lethal (rubber buckshot can be lethal) ammo. IF you are in fear of your life, you need to STOP THE THREAT instead of scaring it or just pissing it off. If you are not in immediate fear of your life, you have no bussiness using a firearm in the first place. In Ca, you can't just go around shooting people with rubber bullets because they are stealling something from you. If you do, expect to spend many years in prison and pay your victim somewhere between 6 and 7 digits in compensation for your stupidity.

[dustoff31]

this is what i mean. why is it expected this intruder is out for blood, instead of a guy crazy for stealing something, never having the thought on killing someone (ending to movie Phone Booth), and resists to leave?

If he is armed, his intent should be quite clear. But if you would like to consider it a gamble, just remember what the stakes are if you are wrong.